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    Digital painting, concept art and illustration

    Hello, now I know the rules here specify that this isn't a place for an introduction..

    So i'll skip right to the point :)

    I like digital art. I especially like concept art landscapes, and also characters.

    I tried a bit of sketching and things on paper, but besides just "winging" it, I actually haven't got the slightest idea how to draw.


    I bought a Wacom Bamboo Pen and Touch Fun (Gen 3) for myself as a Christmas present, and I'm interested in drawing this kind of style:

    http://syntetyc.deviantart.com/art/R...cape-343364208
    http://yx-onebear.deviantart.com/art...pool-343320373
    http://apofiss.deviantart.com/art/im...lows-324639273

    etc.






    Now, my best drawing is probably a stick figure and besides the really "step-by-step" guides, I don't actually know how to go about learning this style of art..
    For reference as to where I'm at with drawing ability, I drew this the other day, I really had no idea what I was doing, and I drew it from reference..


    http://i.imgur.com/I3um6.jpg?1

    (Sorry for the shockingly terrible photo quality... and the fact that the drawing is bad, I really do feel the need to apologize for how bad it is... D:)



    The only resource I have is a site called "Ctrl Paint", but the guides there seem much more advanced and I can't really find where to start.. I watched a coupe of the playlists there but they didn't help too much.



    If there is any sites, tutorials, resources, books or anything like that where I can learn this style of drawing/painting that would be appreciated very very very much.


    Well, even if this does get flamed I still appreciate a reply



    Thank you :D

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    Well...here's the thing...if you don't know what you're doing with a pencil you won't know what to do with Photoshop (or a stylus or whatever). There are fundamental principles that are the foundation of all visual art...that is where you need to start.

    Pretend you bought yourself a guitar instead...because you dig guitar players. You want to learn how to play like X, Y and Z. How would you go about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toastyzeus View Post
    The only resource I have is a site called "Ctrl Paint", but the guides there seem much more advanced
    Come on now, the videos start with doing basic blocks and squares
    http://www.ctrlpaint.com/drawing-shape-linear-block-in/
    http://www.ctrlpaint.com/perspective...ng-isnt-scary/
    Because like Jeff said, that's where you should start, from basic fundamentals.

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    Indeed. Besides, if you dig ito the forums here you'd find site recommendtions. You'll also find even more recommendation to get textbooks by Andrew Loomis.

    Get Loomis, some pencils and paper, and start learning to draw boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    Come on now, the videos start with doing basic blocks and squares
    http://www.ctrlpaint.com/drawing-shape-linear-block-in/
    http://www.ctrlpaint.com/perspective...ng-isnt-scary/
    Because like Jeff said, that's where you should start, from basic fundamentals.

    Yeah, I realize this.. I've already watched though all of the ctrl paint basic fundamental videos, I have started the fundamentals..

    I'm not sure where to branch off to in order to learn more about concept and landscape drawing though


    and I do appreciate suggestions for any tutorials I could watch or books I could read on this area.

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    Oh, and I downloaded and read though some of Loomis work, whilst it is crucial and very well written I can't seem to find any real help towards what I want to draw. I know there probably isn't, but it feels like there could be other works or tutorials that I could be following in order to get to the point I want to be at.

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    To further reinstate the guitar analogy:

    Many years ago, I wanted to play guitar like Jimi Hendrix. I dusted off my dad's old shitty electric guitar and tried playing "House Burning Down". To my amazement, I couldn't do it, no matter how many tutorials and guitar tabs I checked out. I kept practicing but without getting anywhere even close to that epic intro.

    So I decided to take the long and hard road. Over the next seven or eight years I studied chords, scales, timing and classical guitarists. I still can't play like Jimi Hendrix, but now I don't really want to either. I've found my own little style that I like exploring. Heck, I don't even want to play electric any more.

    The point being: Style can't be forced. Forget style for now.

    Learn the craft itself and style will naturally follow. What you're inspired by will most likely shine through even in ten years time.

    To translate this to drawing terms: Pretty much what everyone else said. Paper, pencil, Loomis.

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    Hmm how very odd, one of my posts disappeared? Strange..

    Anyway, would anyone be able to point me in the right direction for any tutorials or books based primarily around environment or landscape drawings?



    EDIT: And I suppose its worth mentioning that whilst I don't have much art experience, I do have a LOT of experience using Photoshop (Thanks to a 3 year degree in Digital Media), so any pencil drawings would still most likely be drawn on my tablet into Photoshop.

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    The sort of experience you have with PS (thanks to a 3 year degree in Digital Media) is essentially irrelevant to drawing, save for the basics of navigating the UI. It's like telling us you want to be a poet, and BTW, you know how to use MS Word because you've worked in an office.

    If you want to learn how to draw, look at things and try to draw them. That's basically it, everything else is commentary. Important commentary, but again, irrelevant until you grasp that basic premise.

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    What's the landscape equivalent of Loomis? I think that's what he's looking for.

    I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoat View Post
    What's the landscape equivalent of Loomis? I think that's what he's looking for.
    Probably Jack Hamm: http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=h0-8aHIHDKoC


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    Forget about style and forget about drawing specific things. Learn the fundamentals.

    - Drawing from the shoulder
    - Gesture Drawing
    - Perspective
    - Measuring (with the pencil)
    - Drawing from observation
    - Composition
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    - Color theory

    Can't recommend a textbook, but Ctrl+paint has a great series about perspective in the store, and there's seedling's thread here in CA.

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    Get the Pencil book by Ted kautzky
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used
    that will give you basic concepts for landscape drawing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toastyzeus View Post
    Oh, and I downloaded and read though some of Loomis work, whilst it is crucial and very well written I can't seem to find any real help towards what I want to draw. I know there probably isn't, but it feels like there could be other works or tutorials that I could be following in order to get to the point I want to be at.
    If you're looking for "the tutorial that tells you how to make cool concept art", don't. There isn't any.

    What you need to do BEFORE you get to the "stuff you want to do" is draw a whole ton of things from real life. Without worrying about style, or whether it's ever going to turn into "concept art". Because before you can learn to draw cool concept art, you need to learn to draw, period. And that will be a long, slow process of learning fundamentals, and drawing simple objects, and real people, and real interiors and buildings and landscapes. Once you start getting good at drawing what you see, then you can tackle imaginary environments and concepts more easily.

    So the most constructive thing you can do is to draw a lot of things from life, for a long time. The landscape books mentioned above can be helpful, too.

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    What is "drawing from the shoulder"?

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    Lock your elbow and move your drawing hand from the shoulder joint. Keep your wrist ridged.

    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Thank you, to all of the people that actually posted resources.

    I guess I will have to continue following Ctrl-paints guides, and I'll look into that Jack Hamm's Book on Landscapes, cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toastyzeus View Post
    Thank you, to all of the people that actually posted resources.
    I see what you did there.

    Anywho, best of luck, and remember to start a sketchbook!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toastyzeus View Post
    Thank you, to all of the people that actually posted resources.
    Look, don't go getting all condescending because people aren't posting exactly what you want to hear. You need to face the facts that you have YEARS ahead of you to advance from your current level to the level of those paintings you posted. If you can't handle that, drop out and pick up a different hobby.

    There is no one resource that is going to magically turn you into a badass concept artist. Suck it up and start drawing. There is no other way.

    /end rant

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