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    Artists can now be employees.

    I've never seen anything like this before.

    http://renewingtherenaissance.com/

    They hire artists who receive a monthly wage and employee benefits. (to be fair: just "challenged" artists who have difficulties with the business part)

    On the one hand, it's cool to just paint without having to worry about the next paycheck. On the other hand, you probably have absolutely no choice but to accept each and every commissioned work you're being assigned. But then, isn't that the same as in every other job?


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    Hmm why do I think this is just another way to exploit people who are creative. Do we really need artist sweatshop factories turning out crap for I assume (low) pay?

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    I have to say it looks suspiciously like one of those deals where people send in their snapshots and get them turned into paintings... In other words, yeah, sweatshop-ish... Given the quality and nature of the art in their gallery, I'd be pretty leery of it.

    Though if it's a way of giving regular employment to otherwise "unemployable" people, I guess that's cool. As long as they pay decent wages.

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    I am curious what these decent wages are. Maybe an ok way to make extra money on top of your 40 hours work week?

    It does look like I have to be challenged in some way, and I am definitely not challenged enough. Looks like you would have to make up some sob story.

    Either way I doubt their wages are worthwhile. Does anyone know for sure?

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    it just says the starting wages are above minimum, so it must be determined by your area. short of contacting them to see that's all you're going to know.
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    It's funny, because when I was a kid I told myself..."I want to be an artist and get paid to do what I love".

    The most important part of that, though, is "to do what I love". Painting junk things for junk clients isn't what I love to do, personally.
    But we don't always have the luxury, I suppose. I guess it's great for the true starving artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    I have to say it looks suspiciously like one of those deals where people send in their snapshots and get them turned into paintings...
    Well, I'm completely in awe of artists who can do that. I never managed the trick in twenty years of practice: I simply cannot copy anything accurately. But perhaps I should be grateful for that. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    Well, I'm completely in awe of artists who can do that.
    Yeah, but would you want to do that... Especially, would you want to do that as a job. I dunno, I think I'd go stark crazy copying bad snapshots of people's kids and cats all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    Yeah, but would you want to do that... Especially, would you want to do that as a job. I dunno, I think I'd go stark crazy copying bad snapshots of people's kids and cats all day.
    No, which is why I said I should perhaps be grateful for my lack of talent. :-)

    On the other hand, it also prevents me from achieving anything else of any note. But I think I'll go the Van Gogh way: go nuts, indulge in absinthe and self-mutilation, and then achieve fame despite lack of ability. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    then achieve fame despite lack of ability. :-)
    Oi, don't make me link his shoe paintings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    Oi, don't make me link his shoe paintings!
    I am no expert, but while much of his early work is competent, it does not seem to me technically particularly great, considering the standards of the time.

    I should say, mind you, that I am very much a fan of his work, and rather weirdly, perhaps more of his early work than the stuff he got famous for. He kind of gives me hope: only seriously started as adult, never achieved the slickly professional look required by the academies, produced some work that is almost blatantly crude, yet still managed to speak to many generations.

    That means there must be some hope for the likes of me. :-)
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    His early work is pretty much an eyesore, if you ask me. (I have to wonder about some of his later work, too...) Van Gogh is weirdly inconsistent that way. When he's good, he's really pretty good, but when he's bad, he's horrid.

    Granted, he started late in life and had... personality issues... that must have made him a very difficult student. If he'd been on these forums he'd have gotten banned for persistent obnoxiousness and whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izi View Post
    It's traditional to sponsor an art student through the atelier in full and keep all of the work the student produces from it.
    Absolutely, in the 1400s. If you can show me a good atelier now that will pay my way in return for my student sletches I would
    really like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    His early work is pretty much an eyesore, if you ask me.
    I find some of his early paintings wonderfully atmospheric and expressive:

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    And of course the famous potato eaters.

    (I have to wonder about some of his later work, too...) Van Gogh is weirdly inconsistent that way. When he's good, he's really pretty good, but when he's bad, he's horrid.
    I know what you mean. This, for example, must be one of the most spectacularly bad paintings I have ever seen; I don't think that Spanish granny who restored the Jersus fresco could have done any worse:

    Artists can now be employees.

    Granted, he started late in life and had... personality issues... that must have made him a very difficult student. If he'd been on these forums he'd have gotten banned for persistent obnoxiousness and whining.
    No doubt. :-)
    I think he would also quickly have achieved a place in the "Worst of CA" thread, after posting the above ghastly monstrosity and then shouting and swearing at some of our accomplished artists here about how stupid they are. :-)

    I do suspect that his mental illness played a role in his artistic ups and downs. I find it noteworthy that he produced some of his better work while in the asylum - somewhat ironically, it was one of the more sane periods of his last few years simply because they kept him away from alcohol and whores, and kept him to a quiet routine, so that his wackiness wouldn't get the better of him.
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