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    guide for people new to CA and how to kill the art community

    by izi Adapted from How to Kill the Design Community, by Louis Lazaris

    PART I CHOOSING AN ART FORUM NAME

    DO NOT USE YOUR REAL NAME. Tell them nothing about yourself as an artist. Strangers are dangerous!!!!

    But make them laugh each time you post with a jokey-name that follows you every time through your 2,000 posts.


    It will never get old.

    Bonus points if it’s NSFW.

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    PART II CHOOSING AN AVATAR

    Make sure you choose something that has nothing to do with your art or even the art world in general. Get something eyecatching like a hot chick (especially if you are a heterosexual male)

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    Real Concept Artists are Heterosexual Men Who Cannot Resist Reading Posts Graced with this Avatar

    If you arn't that bold, just choose find some poor anthropomorphized animal to promote you in a completely non-boring and non-derivative way, like a hamster lifting weights wearing pink lingerie.

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    PART III DRAWING STUFF AND POSTING FOR CRITIQUES

    Decide what to draw. Make sure it is very trendy and shallow, or derivative, like an elf or anthropomorphized fruit art.

    Make sure you don't finish your work to any sort of polished level. Just whip some crap up and get that up as soon as possible. Don't bother checking out all of the great free tutorials related to your subject, because getting as many live people to stare at your asshole at all stages of the drawing is very important.

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    Make sure you add speech bubbles anywhere it seems necessary, using quirky and nonsensical captions to express your secret sexual frustration and neurotic impulses, and most importantly, to distract from the drawing itself. +1 if you make fruit still life talk or fart!

    Also draw random objects on margins of the drawing, to distract people even further. THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!!!

    Threaten people with Homeland Security if they even THINK about ripping off your work. Better, post giant watermarks on your work accompanied by a huge tawdry story about how your art was being sold in a street market in Ireland by rabble.

    PART IV POSTING THE FINAL

    Now the time has come to really show off. You have worked hard. Post your drawing in the Finally Finished folder. ALSO ADD LOTS OF EXCUSES as to why you couldn't fix this or that problem, anticipating the reaction from the crowd. Alternately, make self-effacing comments that sound like you're on the verge of suicide. That will make the criticism stop.

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    Them: "Hey I think it looks a little flat you should shade under his chin more"

    You: "He's a vampire so he's supposed to be all white. also my dog died yesterday :::sadface:::"

    PART V POSTING REPLIES

    Now that you are a season professional you should spread the love.

    Randomly clicking on threads in the Sketchbook forum or people you find in the lounge, post one-liners in response, such as any of the following vacuous comments:

    "Great work keep working on the anatomy"

    "wow your art is so cool"

    "I LOVE these. I inexplicably cannot explain why!"

    DO NOT POST ANYTHING USEFUL.

    DO NOT CRITICIZE THE WORK IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.

    First Replies

    If you for any reason happen upon a sketchbook that has never been replied to, make sure everyone knows it forever by stating the obvious "FIRST REPLY HUR HUR HUR" If you find this amusing just keep reloading the Sketchbook area and pounce on newcomers. It kills time.

    Reading is for the Technologically Illiterate

    Don't bother reading anything that said or spending time looking at what they actually drew. Most importantly, DONT ADD ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS USEFUL.

    If you feel the need to sound more important, and create an image of being very knowledgeable, make use of lots of platitudes accompanied by quotes from smart people and benign, neutral stories.

    Examples of Unsafe Content:

    “If a complete rework is possible, listen to this; Gestalt is a principle that means 'unification of visual elements, so that the many become one' basically it means how everything comes together and reads as a single element, even though there may be text and all sorts of visuals." - WAY TOO COMPLICATED

    "I don't really like Disney style art but I like your version of Princess Jasmine wearing a bikini" (DO NOT CRITICIZE DISNEY OR ANY OTHER CORPORATION, EVER. YOU WILL DIE AS A FILTHY STARVING ARTIST.)

    Examples of Safe Content:

    "Wow great art. Nice to see you posting keep it up!" (it's sooo important to stay postive)

    "Cool idea I love rabbits/zombies/penises. Hey check out my sketchbook sometime!" (great promotional oppurtunity nabbed!)

    Posting anything detailed, informative or controversial will lead to more social dialogue which wastes time and energy. Avoid any kind of confrontation which leads to the person asking questions or wanting more insight.

    If someone really needs to work on something like hands or pectoral muscles, just say something vague like "Hey work on your anatomy some more" and leave it at that. Don't ever come back to the thread because they might catch you ignoring them.

    PART VI FINDING THE INSPIRATION

    Now you are a truly multi-platinum artist, your sketchbook is 50 pages long and filled with the fruits of your ass. You have recieved a commission to do a work. (Really just the DSG topic but you will tell people you were commissioned)

    You need inspiration. Where should you go? You shouldn't surf Conceptart.org for ideas, all of your homies hang out here. Instead, go to DeviantArt and find some really cool art people are jacking off too. Never go outside or get inspiration from nature or invite nude models into your home. (Gross!) That is what the internet was invented for - PORN! Always copy your anatomy from supermodels or other hot people otherwise your art might end up looking less sexually attractive and like regular people. EW!

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    so, conceptart is at the brink of a Deviantart holocaust or something?

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    It could go that way. I agree with a lot of the stuff Izi posted. Part V (the first bit) is usually what spammers post to get their post count up. At least the crit section is pretty consistent in standards. I've been moving threads from FF and will go and check a bit more often, but not being a pro, it makes me nervous - I know, hard to believe. Edit: I have mentioned it to Jason.

     

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    Eh, I wouldn't mind seeing the standards raised in the FF section. Keep it for God Tier only. Maybe that would help to avoid confusion, and the people who aren't as good would know not to post there.

    Of course you're always going to get the occasional noobie wankers who think they're hot shit, but not much can be done about that.

     

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    I'm not sure about that SpiralHorn. I rarely go into 'finally finished' these days, but an arbitrary set of 'quality standards' would be hard to regulate, not to mention more work for admin and moderators. Keeping it self-moderated is appropriate, and assumes people know enough to post 'Finally Finished' work rather than WIPs. It's good to have a diversity of quality in that particular forum rather than creating ghettoes. It's difficult enough for newbs to be seen without marginalising them further.

     

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    This is an example of the stuff posted on another forum in what is considered their Finally Finished (Elwell - don't look - it's that picture again). We have a much higher standard here. I'm surprised my comment hasn't been deleted like a couple of others. Trouble is that there are so many branches of art, it's hard to compare some of them. Even some of the top artists have bad days and post sub-standard work. It's a tough call.

     

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    been wanting to check your posts out there.

     

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    Oh man, once you are in the wetcanvas link, if you click on the next thread button at the top of the page to see some beauties.

     

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    Blackspot: have you managed to get yourself banned from WC yet? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    Oh man, once you are in the wetcanvas link, if you click on the next thread button at the top of the page to see some beauties.
    Waddya know. I suddenly don't feel quite as bad about my own work anymore. :-)

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    No, not yet. Haven't been there much since CA was back. Sorry Izi. We'll get back on topic.

     

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    I think other forums having a lower standard doesn't serve as an excuse to lower the bars here as well.
    "Finished" art which is not any good should belong into a persons sketchbook, really. Or CC to improve on it.

     

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    well I am guilty of all of these at one point or another, in some form or another. They were all relatively short-lived retrospectively embarassing moments though, except for the internet moniker.

    The name thing is important though - I have no idea who people are, without them using some version of their professional name are on conceptart.org. I am bad enough with names that if you are not labelled properly I will have no memory of you. I get this all the time from people. Somehow they know me but they just have a random internet name that is impossible to remember. I have friends who do this silly thing too and they have a steady job in art so I guess it's all good. (stares at The Angry Filipino)


    I am an artist, but I am also an art buyer. I would imagine other people who come here are too. Also many people here work for big companies, have hiring clout, and want to remember a good artist when they find one.

    It's hard to take someone named "Tossed Salad" seriously or remember them when the time comes to fill slots. (I made that up I hope no one here is named that) It's also difficult to google you. I imagine it's simply a nightmare if you have safesearch turned off.

    Part of the reason I changed my name from Naomi Chan to Izi Ningishzidda, legally, is that Naomi Chan is the name of about 3,000 girls in China who all have internet presence. The only people named Izi seem to be Jewish males living in Israel who never get on the internet. People choke on Izi and they prefer to call me Naomi but they remember it.

    Finally Finished:

    It's full of spammers and one-liners and ass-pats as far as I can tell. I do not have a problem with the quality of art there. Some of it is a little "Beginner traditional" but I enjoy that since I have seen worse stuff in galleries. There is nothing that annoys me more than "You need to work on your anatomy" one-liners. Knee-deep in a project with naked people all over it, I'm just going to drop everything and go back to school at the atelier. That's basically what that line suggests! Now something like "Her right shoulder is too high on this piece" That I can work with. If I knew what you are seeing wrong with the anatomy DON'T YOU THINK I WOULD FIX IT?

    Wait, there is another thing that annoys me. Telling me an anatomical feature is off when it's really not - I have the reference shot in hand, it looks almost identical, that person does not, and they obviously have not seen a woman naked in their life, or have only seen and accepted into their brain one type of woman: the porno model or the Azerothian Night Elf.


    Are you all aware that there is a vast array of proportions in all height-and-weight slots in the world???

    A VAST ARRAY.

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    There have been quality standards for FF for years (check out the stickies). They are "pro/semi-pro level work," and, like pornography, as difficult as that is to define, you know it when you see it. Anybody should feel free to use the "report" function if they see something that they think doesn't belong there. The Critique Center forum was originally set up as a place to put the stuff that didn't belong in FF.


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    Didn't there used to be a section called 'oohs and aahs' as well? If I'm not mistaken it was for
    folks who did not want critique. (Probably a good thing its gone then...)

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izi View Post
    Finally Finished:

    It's full of spammers and one-liners and ass-pats as far as I can tell. I do not have a problem with the quality of art there. Some of it is a little "Beginner traditional" but I enjoy that since I have seen worse stuff in galleries. There is nothing that annoys me more than "You need to work on your anatomy" one-liners. Knee-deep in a project with naked people all over it, I'm just going to drop everything and go back to school at the atelier. That's basically what that line suggests! Now something like "Her right shoulder is too high on this piece" That I can work with. If I knew what you are seeing wrong with the anatomy DON'T YOU THINK I WOULD FIX IT?

    Wait, there is another thing that annoys me. Telling me an anatomical feature is off when it's really not - I have the reference shot in hand, it looks almost identical, that person does not, and they obviously have not seen a woman naked in their life, or have only seen and accepted into their brain one type of woman: the porno model or the Azerothian Night Elf.
    Can you report the spam in FF? We have new tools and they are working very well since the update and I'm only deleting old spam atm. And a lot of the sub-quality threads have been moved, so you will only see quality work.

    If you like a piece, what else other than 'That's Great.' are you going to say? It's finished, it works - asspats ahoy!

     

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    i dont see where the initial post applies to conceptart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Izi View Post
    It's full of spammers and one-liners and ass-pats as far as I can tell. I do not have a problem with the quality of art there. Some of it is a little "Beginner traditional" but I enjoy that since I have seen worse stuff in galleries. There is nothing that annoys me more than "You need to work on your anatomy" one-liners. Knee-deep in a project with naked people all over it, I'm just going to drop everything and go back to school at the atelier. That's basically what that line suggests! Now something like "Her right shoulder is too high on this piece" That I can work with. If I knew what you are seeing wrong with the anatomy DON'T YOU THINK I WOULD FIX IT?
    i dont like that anatomy line much neither, yet i wonder if theres as many artists literally drowning in nudes, covered with work, where these lines get posted. anyway, most of the time it aint about anatomy at all, but rhythm, design and gesture/action. which makes it a blank statement.

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    Wait, there is another thing that annoys me. Telling me an anatomical feature is off when it's really not - I have the reference shot in hand, it looks almost identical, that person does not, and they obviously have not seen a woman naked in their life, or have only seen and accepted into their brain one type of woman: the porno model or the Azerothian Night Elf.

    Are you all aware that there is a vast array of proportions in all height-and-weight slots in the world???

    A VAST ARRAY.
    most of the time people say that, they are wrong and their depictions of anatomy are either flawed or badly designed. implying someone who is pointing out flaws in your pictures related to anatomy, never having seen a women naked, is redicilous and really defensive. maybe your interpretation of the ref is lacking, or its badly represented there...

    whatever, if the result sucks, it sucks, no matter whats there in the reference you chose or not. yes there are different proportions, but imo the artistic goal should be to design those masses in a way they look believeable.


    i think its totally ok and sometimes neccessary to be angry... but be angry about things you could have changed yourself and didnt... beeing angry (especially to the degree youve shown off here as late) about how other people go about different kinds of stuff, is neither going to change anyone, nor anything, other than making you feel miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izi View Post
    well I am guilty of all of these at one point or another, in some form or another. They were all relatively short-lived retrospectively embarassing moments though, except for the internet moniker.

    The name thing is important though - I have no idea who people are, without them using some version of their professional name are on conceptart.org. I am bad enough with names that if you are not labelled properly I will have no memory of you. I get this all the time from people. Somehow they know me but they just have a random internet name that is impossible to remember. I have friends who do this silly thing too and they have a steady job in art so I guess it's all good. (stares at The Angry Filipino)


    I am an artist, but I am also an art buyer. I would imagine other people who come here are too. Also many people here work for big companies, have hiring clout, and want to remember a good artist when they find one.
    I guess you're talking about internet personas, what you do with them, and how it affects real life. Fair enough - it's a growing and rampant problem with the emergence of social media, and how you act online filters through into real life.

    For me, I really don't mind. I act how I act, because I want to, not because of what society says about, "decadence" and "propriety". If you tell me I can't swear, or do something because you don't like it - I'll just do it even more to spite you. If it's something I actually enjoy doing, I'll ramp it up even more. Because it's a double benefit: I get to enjoy doing what I love, and I get to piss someone who doesn't want me to do that, off.

    Of course, just because I do that, doesn't mean I'm susceptible to reverse-psychology. I know a lot, if not most, of the tricks in the book already. And in the end, if an art director from a potential employer wants to judge me because it might look bad from a PR persepective (When they themselves know there's nothing wrong with what we do), frankly, I'm better off without them, and I've gotten this far without even needing them either. My experience in Singapore at FZD, where Feng flat out stated, when we were to visit Lucas Film, to, "Not mention anything about products that didn't sell well..." Well fuck that, sorry. If it sold badly, it's because it sucked. And Lucas wonders why people hate the Star Wars Prequels, and why it has gone downhill. And that mentality that Feng displayed was evident: Don't question authority/Lucas, and don' t rock the boat or fix the situation or raise alarm. Even when the boat is sinking.

    Finally Finished:

    It's full of spammers and one-liners and ass-pats as far as I can tell. I do not have a problem with the quality of art there. Some of it is a little "Beginner traditional" but I enjoy that since I have seen worse stuff in galleries. There is nothing that annoys me more than "You need to work on your anatomy" one-liners. Knee-deep in a project with naked people all over it, I'm just going to drop everything and go back to school at the atelier. That's basically what that line suggests! Now something like "Her right shoulder is too high on this piece" That I can work with. If I knew what you are seeing wrong with the anatomy DON'T YOU THINK I WOULD FIX IT?
    I haven't actually checked FF in a long time - so I can't comment, but I will now. I always assumed it was the summit of a Celestial Mountain (Whereas "The Best of Ca.org" was the Zenith - which doesn't appear to be there anymore), where I don't, and refuse, to tread until I get a lot better than I am now (Which is no where). But from what you've said, I guess most people don't have the same principles. Throw as much fecal matter at the screen, and hope people complement it somehow. There might be the occasional fleck of corn, but overall, it's shit. And if they call you out on it, either manipulate the dynamic with a sob story. And if that fails, run away while hurling said faeces like a howler monkey, or pull the puppet master defense.

    Wait, there is another thing that annoys me. Telling me an anatomical feature is off when it's really not - I have the reference shot in hand, it looks almost identical, that person does not, and they obviously have not seen a woman naked in their life, or have only seen and accepted into their brain one type of woman: the porno model or the Azerothian Night Elf.


    Are you all aware that there is a vast array of proportions in all height-and-weight slots in the world???

    A VAST ARRAY.
    Oh yeah, total agreement here. There's this wonderful article on Mad Art Lab that explains my view on this perfectly:

    http://madartlab.com/2011/12/14/fant...and-lady-bits/

    Goes back, in principle, to why I tend to dislike this unquestioning, follow-the-money, lowest-common-denominator, aspect of the industry, that I discovered, and became disillusioned with, with Feng's school in Singapore.

    So how does this go back to the topic of this thread? It's a tangent that I went off, sure, a little pet peeve of mine, that of disillusionment (Which is always fun!) - but it's still what I feel is wrong with the "Entertainment Industry", and it's pretenses of artistic integrity (Or maybe I just had the wrong impression in the first place). Still boils down, in principle, to this particular aspect of human nature: Rationalization of your failures, and unwillingness to accept that you failed, and thus unable to learn from it, and change, and go forward. Failure isn't a vice, as society would like us to believe. It's not necessarily a virtue either, but it's a requirement to developing said virtues. You only learn to run by walking, and stumbling at the first steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izi View Post
    The name thing is important though - I have no idea who people are, without them using some version of their professional name are on conceptart.org. I am bad enough with names that if you are not labelled properly I will have no memory of you. I get this all the time from people. Somehow they know me but they just have a random internet name that is impossible to remember. I have friends who do this silly thing too and they have a steady job in art so I guess it's all good. (stares at The Angry Filipino)
    Unfortunately my real name is full of consonants and difficult to remember (unless you're Polish, in which case you'll get it right every time). I always know that I'm going to be called next by the significant pause as the person at the front tries to figure out how to pronounce it.

    Since I largely do comic art, though, not being taken seriously is probably a bonus.

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    Another problem with the names though is that if you use your real name chances are there will be a bunch of other people using it too. I think as long as your name is memorable and that you have your real name and portfolio link whenever you post work you should be fine. On the other points, there are plenty of non-pros here and some of them try to give good critique but really struggle. The guides on giving crit may help, but ultimately if they don't know the first thing about anatomy or composition themselves then they won't be very good at giving pointers on it to others, even when they see something that's a little off.

    Personally, I always feel a bit strange giving critique to people who are way better than me, but I think the best approach is to ignore how your skills compare and give honest feedback. It's all about having someone look at the piece who hasn't seen it before, a fresh pair of eyes, to see what they think. They might not be the best or most experienced eyes, but most of the time your audiences won't be either, especially in advertising or such; you have to consider how the everyday uncultured pleb is going to view your glorious artwork.


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    As sone_one has done more amazing paintover crits than Ive had hot dinners and therefore in my mind represents the best of CA (the worst being shrill, unfunny, negative, painfully earnest bummers like this thread) Im inclined to say his word is how it is.

    People like nicknames? Didnt do Goodbrush, or Snoop Dogg, or God any harm, did it?

    There's a preponderance of attractive girls in products aimed at young males? Great Scott Marty, you're right, Id never noticed that before, thank you for lifting the blinders from my eyes! Ahh the light of truth is soooo briiiighttttt!!

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    Aaanyway, now if like me you are cursed with living in that suckiest of hemispheres the Northern Hemisphere, youll notice the summer is has gone AWOL and like some weird Russian Mars expedition experiment its time to say hello to living in the sodium lit cave that is winter for the next six months.
    On the plus side, winter does contain within its frigid soaking folds a jewel, a festival celebrating all that is holy and wonderful in life (drinking, stupid clothes,zombies, ); Halloween! Who's having a party? And can I come? I know girls and drug dealers, I dont mess with the music unless it sucks and Im always polite and rarely late!

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    Comments on this thread lead me to think that some people have never had to deal with real people. Like the internet is reality. A little scary. Are interpersonal skills are dying?

     

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    Hey Bill I refreshed my acquaintance with Night last er night.
    It really is quite visionary. Clearly given how bloated the movies got later with more money it was one of those rare beautiful collaborations between genius and hardship that, like Alien and Citizen Kane shove their grubby fingers in through your eye balls and into your soft delicious brains and never let go, ever.

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    Well said VK.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choob View Post
    Personally, I always feel a bit strange giving critique to people who are way better than me, but I think the best approach is to ignore how your skills compare and give honest feedback. It's all about having someone look at the piece who hasn't seen it before, a fresh pair of eyes, to see what they think.
    You don't have to be a restaurant chef to know when food is bad. I agree with this completely though.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotor View Post
    You don't have to be a restaurant chef to know when food is bad. I agree with this completely though.
    True, this is a well praticed fact in the crit section... I should probably post there more.

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