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    game of thrones fanart

    Hey Im doing a picture of daenerys from game of thrones, albeit in a totally different style. I think im almost done but i just wanted to check before i put finishing lighting and stuff that everything looks correct in terms of anatomy and all that. Also does it look like daenerys? I really cant tell, im still not happy with the face but i dont know why. Maybe i've been looking at it for too long.

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    I think it might be the eyes. I just tried it and turning my eyes so much to the side is very uncomfortable and i would turn my head already in that case. The thing is that she doesn't really need to turn her eyes so much to look at the dragon.

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    well that puts my GoT fanart to shame! No critique from me just wanted to say it's beautiful, I love the way you've painted the fabric of her hood

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    Looks pretty good...the dress looks great, in fact. Some parts of it are not working as well as others...her hands and the dragons, in particular, look a lot less realistic and/or well-drawn as the dress and her face. My guess is that you had photo reference for some parts (her face, the dress, and the dragons' heads) and not others (everything else). If it were me I'd try to reference everything a bit better.

    The other problem here is that her skin tones are REALLY dark. It looks like she's absorbing light. If that's what you intended, fine; if not, again, find some refernence for what flesh tones look like under this kind of lighting.

    As always, just my two cents.

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    hey thanks for the replies! Giacomo: i actually did use reference for the hand, not the dragons or the dress though - they are all made up. I did have a feeling the hands wernt quite right, could you be more specific as to what is wrong with them please? i would like to get it right. As for her dark face, im going to include fire light to brighten up the picture but only when everything is looking correct.

    AmyRedd: thanks! your john snow actually looks really cool, would love to see it finished.

    nofu: Ive tried messing around with the eyes but if bring them in they just dont look like they are looking at the dragon to me i dunno. i might just leave them as they are

    thanks guys, really appreciate the input!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftereleven View Post
    I did have a feeling the hands wernt quite right, could you be more specific as to what is wrong with them please? i would like to get it right.
    To be blunt, she's got a clumsy man hand with big fat sausage fingers. Not at all the hand of a fourteen (book) or seventeen (show) year old girl.
    Otherwise, nice job, although I agree that her complexion is a bit dark (and/or maybe the highlights on her face are too bright).
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    ok gotcha i will try to reduce the size and make them more elegant. I'm hoping the darkness of her face wont look so bad when i put a firey light on it. I havent read the books so i dunno who rhaegal is, i am assuming you mean the red dragon. If so he is in the pic too, the image is actually much bigger, i'll post a full size one soon

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    To clarify, the main problem with her flesh tones is that her dress is picking up a LOT of reflected and ambient light, and her skin is picking up NONE---and, in my opinion, the overall effect is REALLY jarring. Paintover attached below...I apologize for the violence I did to your exquisite rendering...if you squint a bit you should be able to tell what I'm getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftereleven View Post
    nofu: Ive tried messing around with the eyes but if bring them in they just dont look like they are looking at the dragon to me i dunno. i might just leave them as they are

    thanks guys, really appreciate the input!
    If you want her to look at the dragon try directing her pupils downwards (since she would have to look down and not just to the sides to see the dragon), and also perhaps lower her eyelids a little.

    (I was also going to say something about reducing the size of her fingers a little, but it seems you're already on it so never mind that )

    Just a little about the skin color (at least my two scents on it); it's not so much the darkness that had me wondering at first glance, but more the complexion. The skin tones seem a little bit too grey-brown-ish (if that makes any sense), so even if you try to brighten up areas with fire light it might not change the impression that her skin tones are too dark. I would try to bring in a paler look, heading towards more light pink skin tones (playing with light and dark shadows does not necessarily change skin complexion).

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    Her face and hair are rendered very nicely... but the two together don't match quite right. Her face doesn't seem tall enough when I look at the distance between her eyebrows and the diadem, and it looks like the centerline for both the diadem and her hair are pointing in different directions (I trace a line with my finger and it looks like the center of the diadem, if it were extended down her forehead, would come over her eye rather than her nose).

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    I don't know if it's just me, but the cranium feels really tall compared to the face.

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    -The eyes were better before the newer version in my opinion. The only problem I have with the older version of the eyes are how bright the highlights are; lower down the contrast a bit.

    -The hands could still use some retouching, especially between the ring finger and the pinky, where the gap feels too deep.

    -The jewelries on her head feels like they are floating, instead of being worn on her head, especially the 3 pearls on the top. Try lowering the contrast of the pearls farther away.

    -It is true, as someone has said, that the top of the head feels too tall. Even if it is the puffiness of the hair, it would look more pleasing to decrease that puffiness.

    -Try softening the edges and lowering the contrast of her right hand, the one carrying the darker dragon and egg. It felt kind of distracting to me, I don't know about anyone else.

    -Is her head outside of the hood, or inside the hood? Because I can see the highlights of the hair going all the way in, but the hood looks like it is enshrouding over it.

    -Try taking out the end of the tail of the white baby dragon, it feels a bit distracting. Alternatively, you can try lowering the contrast of the tail, since at the moment it has too much. This is assuming that the tail is probably not one of the important parts of the picture.

    -Try warming up the her skin tones a teeny bit to contrast with the blue surrounding her (orange is complementary to blue), they look too muddy.

    -The arm positioning, or the origin of the arms, of the white baby dragon is off; one is higher on the torso than the other. Plus, the farther one seems longer than the nearer one. The claw sizes are also dissimilar, with the closer claw felling smaller.

    -The dark baby dragon have bad form rendering, particularly the neck; they look like flattened sausages overlapping one another. The shadows of the bones of the wings needs a softer transitioning and need to better convey the bones beneath without offering too much contrast.

    -The two highlighted scales on her hip is bothering me, if the scale is curving downward, then the bottom curve should not reflect any high light, except for the line that surrounds the scale. The amount of highlight the two scales are receiving is too much. Try to give the scales some curvature, because they look paper flat right now, in other words, add depth apart from height and width. The highlights on the other scales around her waste feel too random, try to make them more uniform by remembering the form of the scales and re-applying the law of incidence and reflection, and then lowering the high light contrast as well as the position of the highlights uniformly, as the general planes recede from the light.

    -The scales on the farther side of her waist has a more angular form, which I don't see in the scales on the closer side. The farthest scale on the farther side feels shorter than usual to me. Plus, where is the third scale on the farther side of the waist? It should show a bit.

    -The flowing white fabric above the white baby dragon is odd in the place it is now, either try to replace it somewhere else or remove it. This is because, at first, I thought that fabric was a part of the baby white dragon, which I presume now is not.

    -The scales on the girl's waist on the form shadow side are too dark, considering they are highly reflective objects, more reflective then cloth, they should contain reflected light brighter than the cloth is receiving on her back in the same form shadow.

    -The rendering of the hands could use more work. The pinky of the hand holding the baby white dragon has a chicken feet effect, in that the pinky looks like a toe of a chicken feet.

    -Also that blue cloud above the girl's head, what is that? Try to keep in mind a reason for every sudden value and color changes to keep an orderly composition.

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    Hey! Sorry I didnt reply to the latest comments! didnt think there would be anymore. Anyway thanks alot for the detailed critique I really appreciate it. Ive worked more on the full size and have tried to rework the parts that have been critiqued the most, namely the arm/hand and head. But honestly i really really just want to wrap this up now and i know its still far from perfect. Right now i just want to make sure there are no huge glaring errors in the anatomy of the girl - i really hope her face looks better now. At this stage im happy to ignore any small errors in the rest of image like the sausage neck on the green dragon etc. The only extra thing i need to do is apply lighting from the fire to the rest of the image.

    Thanks guys!

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