Given the decline in the quality of the education at Art Center, are you guys saying that AC is slipping in comparison to other schools?? All of the people that I talk to still regard Art Center as being one of the top design schools in the country, especially for trans and illustration. I mean, what you get out of an education (job, connections) varies tremendously, but that doesn't really matter if you've already decided to go to school.
Wow. This thread is a downer. I don't know if you can really base the downfall of a school on a lazy first-termer. I mean, is he getting good grades? I know a second term student who previously went to Otis for three years.....and she said it's kicking her butt.
Last edited by gunnz; March 28th, 2006 at 02:09 AM.
Quality may be declining, but after rethinking the situation, I think Art Center is definitely still up there. It's still my first choice, but if RISD, MICA or SAIC decides to offer more mula...hehe. One thing that really attracts me to Art Center is it's connections to the job world...
I think there are still good teachers there, I'm taking some night classes and I've had Gayle Donahue and Gary Meyer and I really learned a lot from them and I think they are the best teachers I've had so far. I'm taking drawing concept (really wierd class) with the day students since there is space and Gayle would go off on the whole class if they slack off or they are 5 mins late to class, but she is the only teacher I know that really cares about how the students are doing and want them to do good. I've heard other people say that Bob Kato, Lori Madden, Richard Keyes and Deni Ponty are pretty good, I dunno since I've never had them.
I agree with J. Mac that you gotta push yourself to be good. You can have the best instructors in the world but if you are lazy you won't be as good as you could of been.
Entertainment Desing track is still new so things might change but it doesn't seem so bad. It's weird though some classes for certain majors are gone now. Product and Trans doesn't have perspective and Illus doesn't have rendering tech and analysis of form anymore. I'm sure these are stuff that people have said before so I feel like I'm being annoying haha.
Denart - If you mean entertainment artists.......Scott Robertson, Neville Page, Nick Pugh are teaching at Art Center....I think Scott and Neville are taking a break in the summer though. Those are the ones I know.
There are also some really good illustrators that just graduated art center recently......Frank Stockton, Josh Cochran...etc
Last edited by JoshK; March 28th, 2006 at 06:16 AM.
heh short story, yeah right. helium speaks the truth and he does have some good insight. i feel like i don't want to keep going, i could get the same if not better education in many other places. when you go to artcenter it is like you are buying into a club, where some benefits are great but to me the dues aren't worth it at this point, at least financially. exceptionally when the direction of the school is kind of unclear. i have to say there are good teachers that i will continue to keep in contact with but not enough to stay and pay 13,000.
I am glad that this is under discussion now, b/c i would hate to have people be mislead by what the school wants you to think compared to what is actually going on.
"it isn't about how you draw, but how you feel about what you're drawing..."
Hehe, so it wasn't a small story.. I was veehhh-ry tired.. and angry! I just don't think reality permiates that school on many levels.
I think Jesse is right. You can enter the school, develope relationships, and sort of just slide away after a while. There are many opportunities where you may be able to sit in on a class or two, or ask a professor something aside from class hours, and if you develope lasting relationships with these teachers as friends then what they have to offer doesn't need to end when you leave or graduate.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed, The world in arms is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from an iron cross."
Helium, can I ask why your boss said he wouldn't hire the Skillful Huntsman guys? I'm just curious, because I thought most of the work in there was lovely. (My only real complaint with it was that they never picked a theme and adhered to it, so all the work just seemed like... endless brainstorming homework.) I thought Khang, at least, had a job at Dreamworks...
ACCD sounds like it's driving for the middle road between being a business and being an excellent college, and not doing either very well. (I went to SCAD for my BFA, which is definitely just a business... and while that's not preferable - they admit EVERYONE, have immense infrastructure problems, and are all about appearances to nab more students - did mean that scholarships were widely available, and you can definitely be part-time.)
I got accepted to Pratt, SVA, and Ringling, I have not heard anything from ART CENTER, WHICH is my top choice, I am also worried because in SVA they took me out of the foundatoin program and put me in the second year which is illustration classes already. I wanted a foundation year because all the foundation classes that I have gotten are from community college and the teacher really suck, so most of it I have learned my self, Ringling wanted to do the same too putting me in their second year but they actually called me, and I told them no that I want foundation. Just wondering what you guys think I know AC is the best for concept art but I have not gotten accepted yet and if I dont, I have to go to one of theses schools. What do you guys think is better for concept art SVA or Ringling? thank you guys please help!
I dunno alot of that just sounded very bitter to me, i think one should have a better idea of what the program is and what the classes are before one makes a judgment like that. That program is packed full of amazing artists that busted their ass to get there, if you have questions about part of the program, ask the ones who are in it, and if something about it bothers you, dont apply.
Just a note about what macaroni said about the Hunstman Guys not being hireable. Mike Yamada and Felix Yoon both work at Dreamworks. As for Khang, geez, can anyone say Khang is not incredible?
Back to program though. Like any othe rprogram it has positives and negatives. Like any other program, it's there to help you along but not do it for you. Now, just like always before, it is really up to the student to do the work and put the energy into what's important to get to where they want to be. The school is there to help and yes, sometimes doesn't feel like it is) but it's not there to do it for you. people think that if you go to Art Center and pay the big bucks (and they are BIG) you'll just become good, like there's some secret. There isn't, so you have to work for it.
Everything is a bit jumbled right now and I can see why some would be confused and a bit angry at the seeming lack of direction and focus with what theya re paying. Still, I think despite its flaws, the program has benefits. It's up to individuals to see what is really happening and weigh what's important to them and what's not and choose accordingly.
Lastly, you cna always take terms off and sit in on classes, most of the teachers you want and thos ementioned anyway have no problem with it. Bob Kato, Norm Schureman, Gary Meyer, they all don't mind.
In regards to the 8 page thesis paper:
You start off arguing about art center and how it lets people in easily and complaining about that. Then you follow up that the entertainment design track is designed for only people who apply for it. By having people apply for a certain track and evaluated by industry professionals, is this not a way to give people who are working hard and want to polish the skills an opportunity to grow and keep the ones who don't truly want to be there out? As with the post before mine, when someone wants something and bitch and complain with it, what's the point? They get no where. Many people "want" but how many "act"? Agreeing with Helltaxi from before, the Entertainment Design program have a lot of individuals who have their own goals. They sweat and bleed over their homework and no one regrets it. Maybe people arent complaining out loud because its' for what they love they enjoy the pressure.
Entertainment design apparently is just doing movies? I had no idea. The term is general and offers a lot of different jobs and positions ie. games, toys, theme parks and so on. If you have a one track mind and are geared there, more power to you. Just don't think that everyone else falls into your category.
As for art center doing away with perspective, that is not true. I speak for the product department, where the modified program is geared to make the student have a better understanding of the basics. Such that in their classes such as the early viscoms, perspective is already integrated into it. Their emphasis is on foundation and I believe that they are getting it.