@revidescent Thank you, and yeah it is a weird thing, But I thought something a bit complicated would be a good practice.
Now, I'm trying to render something as well as I can. It still looks a bit rough
its porcelain, I think I probably made it too dark.
yeah man - good exercise! thats the stuff
but keep care for the construction under the rendering (also draw the hole ellipse) - like the picture / you do not have to do this every time but for me it's a help
i think the rendering is good - it getting better with time
hope that's explain what i mean
yeah looks like I messed up my ellipse at the bottom, but my cup is actually slanted that way.
Last edited by PeteJ; December 13th, 2012 at 03:59 PM.
well, try until i die
Nice studies! You've improved your rendering a lot, and I see you're working on your construction too. Very nice.
With the box in the last post, I noticed that a misplaced vanishing point gives it a look of twisting. I know it can be very hard to notice this kind of stuff in your own drawings.
Keep it up!
i don't really know what to say other than keep going man. and do perspective stuff.
Alright fuck it, I'm just going to do whatever the fuck I can to get proportions and perspective right. Not much point of carefully drawing something if I still f up on simple things
Last edited by PeteJ; December 14th, 2012 at 02:31 AM.
More rapid studies
Studies of trash on my desk, pet frog, and Mcdonald's resteraunt and customers.
And now I try to render better again.
Last edited by PeteJ; December 15th, 2012 at 06:51 AM.
Since you asked me to look and comment, I've just paged through your sketchbook.
You are doing all the right exercises, judging by what I saw. One thing you could add to take it to a different level is pursuing awareness of the volume. You tend to copy the visual field; give you a piece of reference, and you can produce a reasonable likeness - with some wobbliness, but a lot of artists do the same and hide it under a loose rendering style. But once you start doing something from imagination, all that gets mostly lost. You actually revert to symbolic drawing a lot of times, and guess the contour instead of building the form.
I can suggest to try to change the way you approach drawing. Do not copy. Build. Treat every drawing as if it were a sculpture, the page a window through which you see a solid object. It should not matter whether you are drawing from reference, or from imagination; in both cases you should build the drawing using construction lines, finding centerlines, tangents, hidden lines etc. Any drawing should be an exercise in seeing the form. Eventually you'll get it, if you stick to it.
As an aside, I see that you are copying anatomy schematics by Bridgman and Loomis. These things are more useful when you apply them to track the same structures in a model, static and moving. Same thing about perspective studies: copying samples from books might get you some guessing skill, but it won't teach you any real perspective. You have to dig in and construct some formal perspective plots, using the proper methods, to get a hang of it. These drawings in the books are illustrations of a point, not a solution to your problems. Develop your own method.
Hey m8, Liking the hardwork! everything arenhaus said you should follow. I know it is hard and it might be the most annoying pain in the ass to do but try to ditch rendering stuff completely instead focus on structure and construction. That way proportional mistakes show completely and you really have to use structure and construction lines to give the three dimensional effects to your drawings. Good luck and work hard!
Great studies and sketches, to what people already said i"ll add that if you can, try and attend life model drawing sessions - even if it costs a bit of money.
Draw more from life; find some time to sit down in a park and draw the figures of the people that pass by, sit, run, stand, and how they interact with their surrounding environment.
Hope it helps a bit,
@Zauselbert thanks man, I will.
@arenhaus Wow really thanks a lot, I think after reading what you said and tried out a few studies, I think I finally started to see and really fix my problem. I really owe you a big one.
@kamikazel33t and Fallenangel Yup I agree with that 100 percent, thanks a bunch too.
So here are some gestures and studies focusing more on perspective and contouring the form.
Cool studies man, that's the way to go.
The construction practices are really good, and I agree with the life drawing, it's really useful if you can get into one.
You could also try drawing boxes and cylinders to a perspective grid, maybe it can help you with the simple shapes and defining perspective in your mind.
Just keep on drawing, never don't give up!
Well done PeteJ! It's really great to see your hard work, and it's improving in every post. It's great to see how you've listened to the advice and then responded and improved
Keep on studying, I can see a lot of potential in your studies and you seem to be learning fast! If you ever wanna be study buddies, hit me up! I like your motivation and I could use some too, especially on these types of drawing and studies.
Again, fantastic work and all I could say is continue to try and build your drawings and understand the form.
Looking good! You are doing the right thing; exploring media, the fundamentals, a bit of imagination here and there - keep it up and you will get there. Your creature designs are particularly interesting so would be great to see some more in the future.
since I can't attend a life drawing class, I been attempting to draw people in the restaurants more.
edit: added more studies, again most of these are done in resteraunts or on the streets.
Last edited by PeteJ; April 23rd, 2013 at 07:12 PM.
More street/life studies
i was going to say more life drawing but you appear to have that covered so keep it up!
You've certainly improved since you start this sketchbook.
You're working on the basics, construction/perspective and a lot of drawing from life which is good to see.
One suggestion I'll give, is don't be afraid to spend some time doing longer studies. For the most part you appear to be getting things down reasonably well, but I think one thing that is missing is taking a step back and checking things. Like on the drawing of the car in post #83, making sure that the back wheel isn't smaller then the front.
Keep at it.
You're doing really well and I see a big improvement overall since I last visited.
Re what you're saying about issues with proportions. If you work from photos, measuring everything wont really help because the camera tends to exagerrate and distort things.
So when I'm doing studies from photos, I tend to use the ideal measurement system - 8 heads to a full body, 4 heads to the crotch - because it makes for a better drawing, and I'm not there to be a slave to the photo but to learn from the body in it. In those instances, try getting the gesture or centre line down first (the line that runs from the top of the head through the spine and leg to the floor and gives the posture and gesture of the figure). Then, mark where you want the top of the head to be and the foot at the other end. Halfway between those marks is roughly where the crotch will be. After that, putting everything in the right place becomes a bit easier. And try using simple photos first - full length standing poses - to get a handle on it before getting too complicated.
When working from life, it's a different kettle of fish. Whats in front of you is a mass in space so you have to be thinking about perspective, foreshortening, volume and measurements all at the same time. And thats before you get anywhere near thinking about the light. In those instances, measure everything in relation to everything else. I find it helps to use a viewfinder to give a framework round the figure. It makes it easier to see the body in the space. I also use my pencil as a measuring guide. And don't worry about making pretty pictures yet. Get those meauremenst and the construction figured out first. The pretty part can wait.
P.S. Perspective and construction are royal pains in the arse and I'm still struggling to get to grips with them after eighteen months, lol. I think I'm a slow learner.
You'll get there - you're doing great already. You just have to be patient, keep slogging it out and putting in the work and it'll pay off.
Thanks for all the comments guys.
Its kinda hard for me to do that in the middle of the street or in a restaurant but I do try to do longer studies sometimes.
I actually don't studies from photos anymore, all you see here are people I sketched in restaurants. And yeah, I'm now solely focusing on proportions and perspective, and I'm only using permanent mediums now for study.
So here are more studies, all the stuff in pencils are really old work I haven't shown.
Last edited by PeteJ; June 15th, 2013 at 11:35 PM.
great studies ! really nice to see all the improvement, keep up the hard work!
Here is some more studies and practice. I started to try painting more.