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    Am not sure if posting this here would be appropriate but i think a few of you may enjoy partaking in this.

    http://kxhara.deviantart.com/journal...hero-315317673

    It's a competition to design a superheroine with non-stereotypical design...

    but i'm more interested to discuss what people feel is more appropriate, noting the actual motivation for this contest. Do SuperHeroins need to actually be more female-adonis type beings or should there be more lee-way in their shape.

    i am fully aware that this is obviously sexist, it's wrong to declare that comic readers only designate a single look as attractive and acceptable, it's offensive to both genders for the pressure and the assumption. But i'd like to know if people believe that the legacy of comics is more important than a development like this.

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    If the legacy of comics depends on sexist, manchild-fantasy depictions of women, it's a pretty poor legacy. They are about more than that and they can be better.

    This contest rules.

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    I KNOW RIGHT!? xDDD

    well yeah, and at the same time comics are making great strides, there being gay characters popping up all over these days...

    but the female archetyping needs to be countered... badly.
    at least X-Men usually make a large range of character types. also at least internal struggle and understanding is harnessed greatly throughout modern comics, representing good logic in characters (see RUNAWAYS)

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    I've been planning for a little while now to do a Female Frazetta Death-dealer. Haven't gotten around to it yet though.


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    I think whole superhero/superheroine concept leads to such sterotypes. I grew up reading european comics and never really experienced lack of variety in female characters. Mainly beacause there are many different stories and not neccessarily about idealised modern day warriors fighting with organised crime or some other evil force.

    Also I don't understand why the main chosen approach for breaking stereotype is that you need to go for completely opposite of slim character. Superhero usually needs to be pretty fit in order to face dangers and enemies so being fat is not the first option. I would be into more subtle differences in look (or just leave the superhero stories altogether and focus on telling story about normal people experiencing unusual situation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post
    Also I don't understand why the main chosen approach for breaking stereotype is that you need to go for completely opposite of slim character. Superhero usually needs to be pretty fit in order to face dangers and enemies so being fat is not the first option.
    Remember though, deviantart is involved here.

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    I would just be happy if they made it look like their female superheroes had spines, and internal organs...

    Honestly though, strong people don't necessarily have to be slim. Look at Holley Mangold, for example! I wouldn't want to rumble with her, and I think a female hero with her physique would be awesome and definitely something different.

    Let artists reference their poses from Olympic athletes, not porn stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post
    Superhero usually needs to be pretty fit in order to face dangers and enemies so being fat is not the first option.

    You haven't met Agatha Trunchbull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maidith
    You haven't met Agatha Trunchbull.
    Haha. Yeah.
    By fat I mostly mean the amount of fat vs amount of muscle. There are people with different size of body frame and all can be athletic.

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    Let artists reference their poses from Olympic athletes, not porn stars.
    By the way something on the topic. Check this link - http://ninamatsumoto.wordpress.com/2...e-for-artists/

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    Although a manga/game design I kinda appreciated this look

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    Sure there's the boobs, but she still looks like she can break your back.

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    well if you read through the competition it's noted that you may translate 'fat' as you please... they're just going for non-conventional.

    though i agree that yes, fitness means a lack of fat, but really, all i'm wishing for is to see some actual body bulk as opposed to skinlings.

    But hey, i personally am a Frazetta man... so gimme the hips!

    I seem to recall, with some regrets, that GLEE had a non-conventional in it's second season or something... and she was not actually all that hideous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post
    Also I don't understand why the main chosen approach for breaking stereotype is that you need to go for completely opposite of slim character. Superhero usually needs to be pretty fit in order to face dangers and enemies so being fat is not the first option. I would be into more subtle differences in look (or just leave the superhero stories altogether and focus on telling story about normal people experiencing unusual situation).
    Since the whole point is that they all have superpowers, they don't all need to be fit. Professor X is in a wheelchair, for fuck's sake. There can be whole battalions of fat telepaths, or anyone whose powers depend on their mind. I stopped reading superhero comics in the late 1990s but there used to be quite a variety of body shapes on the supervillain side, especially in the more humorous titles.

    But that's the thing across all media, isn't it. You can't be a heroine unless you're fairly conventionally attractive. We can't have ugly people on the teevee except on government-subsidized channels.

    Edit: But you know what? Fuck mainstream superhero comics, they're practically irrelevant except as excuses for Time Warner to go make a movie. There's an indie comic for whatever floats your boat. If you want to read comics with plump ladies try Strangers in Paradise or Love and Rockets.
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    Superheriones are constrained by the same media standards as every other female. Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant, but (US) society has come up with its own depiction of what women should be and artists aren't immune to wanting to idealize their heroines.

    That said, as the Manga character illustrated, this isn't required in order to create a good character, it's just what people naturally gravitate toward.

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    Maybe a bit off-topic, but since its about diferent heroines
    Am I the only here who has seen "Who Wants to be a Superheroe" Cx
    Does any one remember Fat Momma, she was awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo_Mama View Post
    Maybe a bit off-topic, but since its about diferent heroines
    Am I the only here who has seen "Who Wants to be a Superheroe" Cx
    Does any one remember Fat Momma, she was awesome
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    lol
    I can hear the torches and pitchforks of the anti-stereotype brigade...


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