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August 3rd, 2012 #66
"as i recall fat chicks were considered beautiful."
This is the Venus of Willendorf. Shes about 23000 years old and looking pretty good for her age I think.
Ive no idea what these peoples names are. Theyre about 23 years old. Tell me a nice safe cave, a warm fire to keep out the snow and wolves, some animal pelts and one or both of these lovelies doesnt sound good.
Actually the attractiveness to men of adult vs childlike (peramorphic vs neontonous) features in women during wartime vs peacetime has been tracked and makes interesting reading.
Neoteny is the preservation of childlike characteristics into adulthood. Interestingly adult bird "morphology appears to be equivalent to the juvenile stage of the dinosaurs from which they evolved." Why neotonous features were selected for is unknown although there are plenty of possible reasons. Preservation of juvenile features into adulthood also marks out humans from other great apes.
Theres maybe a gene or suite of genes that might be switched on in birds that cause them to grow into some kind of saurian style adult. That would be awesome! And maybe humans would mature into... fuck knows, Protectors I guess!?
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August 3rd, 2012 #68
They actually revised the new PG costume (for the better, overall, although the "P" is still goofy) after that image was released. Here's the published version of the Perez Cover, along with Kevin Maguire's variant:
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August 3rd, 2012 #69
August 3rd, 2012 #70
But the way it manifests itself is surprisingly adaptable to social influences.
Women's fashion is an expression of how these surface preoccupations shift - you only have to think of the flat chested 20s, the small waisted 50s, the tom boyish 60s, the square shouldered 80s and the coy-pixy-like current decade to see this.
Regarding women, it seems to me that the limbic system (emotional centre of the brain) is surprisingly open to the pliability of the unconscious filters with regard to their response to shifting cultural status cues.
For example, the fat guy with a cigar standing by big new car creates a rush in many modern women that it would fail to do with her rainforest-dwelling sisters.
Regarding men, the sexual impulse is less governed by the limbic system's influence and seems to be a more direct response to the automatic brain filters switching on and off to incomming visual patterns.
However, for both men and women, the adaptability of our response is always rooted in the same survival/reproduction preoccupations of our fundamental animal makeup.
The tray upon which it is served, and the vessels upon it may change, but the dinner remains essentially the same.
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August 3rd, 2012 #71My Sketchbook
And then God said, "Let us make man in our likeness and our image. Let us make him ridiculously hard to draw so that poor artists everywhere will have to spend 10,000+ hours failing repeatedly before they can begin to capture the form and likeness onto a two-dimensional surface." And there was man. And it was good. And artists everywhere lost their minds.
August 3rd, 2012 #72
Well, I think it's not just a matter of idealised woman-fat woman things, but rather more diversity needed in portrayed fictional characters in general.
I mean, really, when it comes down to it, the charisma of a person or character is much more likely to give people the idea they're beautiful than proportions ever are. But then, implying that charisma in the first place is an art of it's own.
August 3rd, 2012 #73
Well...I'm back to the Batwoman picture again.
I was browsing through this on DA, since I found the whole thing a little strange. Sure her picture is fine, but there are still some flaws in it. Then I noticed a link that someone posted of an old Batwoman cover, and voila, she seems to have copied a lot from that picture. Also explains why her light and shadow made no sense in her picture, because she used the same shading as in the cover. Not saying it's the same picture...but it explains a lot for me.
But on the whole body type thing, I think the image of a woman today is stupid. I'm a really thin body type, but the likelyhood of me having head sized breast on that body is impossible.
I think artist that respect the different bodytypes should try to remember that and stick to those ideas, and not fall into drawing to "please" the market. Which I'm sure can happen for artist that start to work for big companies, for example in the comic industry.
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August 3rd, 2012 #74
Hmm... well spotted Ameza. In which case it's a double whammy, also making the original crit invalid to a degree, seeing as that 'presentation' of women has indeed made it on to a cover, despite being, er... 'copied'.
Perhaps though we could possibly move on one day from valuing what a woman looks like as more important than anything else. I shan't hold my breath...
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August 3rd, 2012 #75
Also, weird dinosaur tangent. Comics don't have enough neornithines?
August 3rd, 2012 #76
August 3rd, 2012 #77Check out my sketchbook! Socially acceptable opportunity to yell at a teenage girl!
August 3rd, 2012 #78
What is it about unrealistic body images in comics that has to be dealt with 'clandestinely'? Sites like Eschergirls seem to do okay by shouting it from the rooftops: "lolol look at this stupid art!" Are you two names in the industry, planning on doing a reverse Wally Wood and gradually shrinking Power Girl's breasts until someone notices; or are you just engaging in a spot of mutual back-patting? What is your top-secret classified idea for belling the cat?