Nah, that's fine. (unperiod) People are people. You should relax about it. Just call the guys dorks, animals, or pigs. And move on.
If you police the words, you don't eradicate the thought. (See Orwell, USSR.)
One comment is easy to relax about, but the problem is it's almost never just one comment but a pattern of behavior. (Bullying is a pretty good example of this.) While yeah, people will think what they think - there's nothing wrong with expecting a little courtesy and respect either.
Also, tags. heh heh heh. Really? "Control Men Now"?
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Reason: stupid grammar.
This is a bit of tangent, but there are such things as etiquette, common decency, and respect.
It's really annoying when people try to defend they way others express themselves by pretending that criticizing behavior is the same as trying to control their emotions. It's not the drive that's being criticized. NO ONE's saying it's wrong to be attracted to women. It's the way people choose to EXPRESS it that's being criticized.
Good god, I hate the "I'm a man, I can't help it." cop out of an excuse.
How 'bout that!
The issue is not that people are going to be dicks. The issue is learning to accept that fact because the only way to do something about is to try to legislate/control by law your local environment according to your personal sensitivities. Which is a worse crime. Because who says your sensitivities are all that important? Being offended is okay. It is not your right to be free from offense.
When it gets physical or interferes with work, that's a different matter.
Arshes, I'm not sure I understood your last point.
And people with genuine positive characteristics (talanted, funny, excellent at some task or skill) are often seen as attractive.
It's true. Once we get past the extreme outliers I can't tell who's "good looking" and who isn't, so my decisions about attractiveness are largely based on whether the person is clever, funny, smells okay and is wearing a bicycle helmet.
Originally Posted by kev ferrara
And wanting to control other people's behavior is a sign that you belong in management.
But seriously, you have to manage what happens at the office because it sets the culture of the workplace. The culture affects what kind of workers you attract. This is what good managers do. They herd workers so they do work, not wander around spreading discord and fucking the team up so nothing gets done.
you have to manage what happens at the office because it sets the culture of the workplace. The culture affects what kind of workers you attract. This is what good managers do. They herd workers so they do work, not wander around spreading discord and fucking the team up so nothing gets done.
Staffing smartly in the first place is an essential issue. And yes, a good manager will cleverly find ways to avoid issues. But I've worked in agencies where there were people who were so thin skinned, reactive, and so demanding of control of all things they found emotionally distressing in the local environment... that they were fired for the sake of the workplace.
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Prehistoric men tended to choose women with larger pelvis, it helped childbirth. To answer that, women developed larger rear region, more fat deposits, so everyone looked the same, women with larger pelvis and women without it. Nice little anecdote.
Beauty ideal way back was different, as i recall fat chicks were considered beautiful. But the reason was that food was scarce. If you had enough food that you got fat, it meant that somehow with your skills, or your biology you were above others. And thus you were a better mate.
Being fat today shows nothing, food is abundant. If anything it shows being unhealty or poor selfcontrol. Im kinda fat too, but not proud of it, plus d00ds cant be fat right?
IMHO body image is created by society, but its the biology that ultimately drives that. And its pointless to go against biology, you cant beat it no matter how noble the goal. Oh and you can tell the difference in a fat or strong chick in real life. I dont know what the visual cues are, but there is a difference.
And then God said, "Let us make man in our likeness and our image. Let us make him ridiculously hard to draw so that poor artists everywhere will have to spend 10,000+ hours failing repeatedly before they can begin to capture the form and likeness onto a two-dimensional surface." And there was man. And it was good. And artists everywhere lost their minds.