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    Mitch Byrd is worth looking up as well then. Fantastic artist, but a lot of his stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Says the fat man with cheetoh colored fingers
    6' 7" and 215 lbs at 57 years old. Who you calling fat?
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    To me it becomes incredibly annoying when you look through most artist's portfolios and only see goddamned sexy girls that don't even fit within the context they're given. So we have this warrior girl from the north who was battle hardened over 20 years of training in the snowy wilderness? LETS GIVE HER A METAL BIKINI AND HAVE HER BOOBS SHOWING ALMOST ENTIRELY as she fights in the icey snow! GENIUS.

    It goes beyond sexism for me, too -- although that is a part of it. It becomes boring and generic when its the primary thing you see on a daily basis when looking at character designs. It literally dulls my mind when I look over an artists portfolio and see sexy bikini warriors almost every day. Get a more original idea (even if originality is hard to come by these days), rather than trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of an audience. Entertainment should be about appealing to a large array of emotions and ideas -- rather than to one's genitals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    6' 7" and 215 lbs at 57 years old. Who you calling fat?
    I am!

    Seriously though.

    One of the observations I noticed is a lot of guys complaining about girls being fat, not being in the best shape themselves. Often times one of the heartbreaking things I've seen is ugly nerds commenting on a girl's physique just to point of berating her for having a bit of a tummy bulge which a bulge is natural.

    I don't think there should be books chock full of fat superheroes, but it wouldn't be surprising if there was one that was overweight or of different physiques.

    Amanda Waller isn't a hero but a villain, big black lady. I never went. "fuck she's fat, can't do anything" but they made her an interesting character. Kingpin is a big fatty, a male and it works.

    But I think it was argued before the sameness of superhero women (not to mention the impossible poses at times) is not cool. Although I'm talking about 3 villain/heroes here's an example of how I'd view each character.

    Harley Quinn - I kinda view with a gymnast body and not necessarily Chesty LaRue I kinda think she's more thin build with some athleticism ...but on the other hand...

    Poison Ivy - I kinda think of a Rubenesque. To me Poison Ivy is probably part plant with Photosynthesis and a meat eater I can see her on the more plump side, but not necessarily obese. She could probably be Chesty LaRue

    Catwoman. I figure is athletic and may have an average size chest.
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    Really, its okay to think you have a bad body or are too fat. Its okay to think you're nose is too big and your chin is too small. Its okay to be bummed out about your hair, your skin quality, your age, your intelligence, your height, your bony knees, your ethnicity, your occupation, or your big flappy ears. Its called being a human being.

    As Harvey Dunn said, "We're all out of drawing, every one of us."

    Too much societal pressure? Turn off the tv, don't go to movies, stop looking at ads. Live a real life instead.

    Those nasty lil' 19 year old boys making fun? Uhhh... Is your emotional life really dependent on the opinion of that demo? (Sucks for you!) You want to prevent 19 year olds from being a marketing opportunity? (Cultural control freaks need to get a life.) Maybe we really should be trying to change the way 19 year old boys' are directed by their hormones? Maybe we should advocate an estrogen dosing program for curtailing young boys natural proclivities. (Mengele!)

    The whole body-image inclusivity thing is just going to end up another lifestyle brand with a built in audience who have been conditioned to only buy chubby-but-beautiful products, or I am defiantly big-nosed products, or frizzy-hair-and-proud-of-it products. Do you think Dove soap actually gives a shit about plump women's feelings? Do you think BP hugs trees? Does your self-image really rise and fall on the images from some corporate marketing plan?

    If you keep yourself emotionally vulnerable to sticks and stones, which is all this wailing does for anybody, all you will do in the marketplace is announce yourself as marketing opportunity waiting to be exploited (with cheap junk products if possible, as long as the emotional issues of the demographic are scratched.)

    We're all weird looking. Get over it. Do something productive.

    (I can vouch for Armand being extremely lanky. He looks like somebody dressed up a telephone pole as D'Artagnan.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Really, its okay to think you have a bad body or are too fat. Its okay to think you're nose is too big and your chin is too small. Its okay to be bummed out about your hair, your skin quality, your age, your intelligence, your height, your bony knees, your ethnicity, your occupation, or your big flappy ears. Its called being a human being.

    As Harvey Dunn said, "We're all out of drawing, every one of us."

    Too much societal pressure? Turn off the tv, don't go to movies, stop looking at ads. Live a real life instead.
    That's not gonna stop the blatant sexism and imagery. You may have turned off the TV, someone else hasn't.

    It would be a great day to walk into work and not hear if the new female co-worker is "hot looking" or "if she looks good in a bikini" mutterings. Where one should be wondering can she do her job, or is she qualified.

    By the same token yes, I've seen female coworkers sometimes do the same when a new male worker comes in or asks about his status and money.

    To shut out the TV and other media is counter productive to a commercial artist as well. It's a draconian approach to things anyways.

    There is just more to "Society's pressure" than just media.
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    I've known a lot of amazingly beautiful girls who were incredibly competent at their jobs. And I've known a lot of ugly people who were lazy, didn't pay attention, and were blindingly incompetent. In my experience attractive people tend to be more competent at their jobs than unattractive people.

    There was also a study published a few years ago that found that ugly people were more likely to lie than attractive people.

    All sorts of people who can't do their job get hired for one reason or another.

    Guys look at hot girls and think to themselves "she's hot looking." That's life. Get over it. Its a waste of thought space to be concerned about it. And wanting to control other people's behavior is a kind of sickness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Guys look at hot girls and think to themselves "she's hot looking." That's life. Get over it. Its a waste of thought space to be concerned about it.
    Great. But that's not even what I said.

    What you think to yourself is awesome. You see someone attractive and comment on it to yourself that's great. No one is saying take a stab to your eyeballs and penis - how dare you see physical attractiveness.

    Talking aloud to other co workers as the first thought of "Well is she hot looking?" is inappropriate. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Talking aloud to other co workers as the first thought of "Well is she hot looking?" is inappropriate. Period.
    Nah, that's fine. (unperiod) People are people. You should relax about it. Just call the guys dorks, animals, or pigs. And move on.

    If you police the words, you don't eradicate the thought. (See Orwell, USSR.)
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    "In my experience attractive people tend to be more competent at their jobs than unattractive people. "

    People instinctively attribute positive characteristics to attractive people.

    And people with genuine positive characteristics (talanted, funny, excellent at some task or skill) are often seen as attractive.

    "what is beautiful is good"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness

    "Research has shown that some men enjoy viewing women's breasts,"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    "Research has shown that some men enjoy viewing women's breasts,"
    Alright. In the spirit of disclosure as a moderator, I will admit, I am
    actually one of those men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    If you police the words, you don't eradicate the thought. (See Orwell, USSR.)
    That may be true, but maybe it should be amazing that gay men haven't really done this response if a new co worker worker of the same sex is due to arrive for many years before the "Coming out" phase...

    Just sayin....
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    This is a bit of tangent, but there are such things as etiquette, common decency, and respect.

    It's really annoying when people try to defend they way others express themselves by pretending that criticizing behavior is the same as trying to control their emotions. It's not the drive that's being criticized. NO ONE's saying it's wrong to be attracted to women. It's the way people choose to EXPRESS it that's being criticized.

    Good god, I hate the "I'm a man, I can't help it." cop out of an excuse.
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