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    You don't have to be skinny and curvaceous to be "fit". There's plenty of big burly women in the real world who could whoop anyone's ass, and they'd make great characters.

    This is why I've always loved the Akira manga - it features a big burly middle-aged lady who can beat up anybody with guns, rocket-launchers, tanks, or her bare hands. LOVE LOVE LOVE that character. Bonus points, it also has what is essentially a little old lady with whoop-ass superpowers saving the world.

    I could do with lots more middle-aged and older people, personally. I'm sick of comics and manga where the entire cast is 15 - 20. (I know, I know, it appeals to 15 year olds, but come on...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeston View Post
    I can hear the torches and pitchforks of the anti-stereotype brigade...
    hmm I don't know if she was based on a stereotype or not, since I didn't grew up in the Us or in Canada, there are some stereotypes in this parts that I didn't know existed, that are only in these countries. But the show was a reality show, and she made it into the final 3, which is why she got a cover.

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    I hate discussions like this. This is not about perception but the young boner marketplace. Size often has nothing to do with athleticism. Arguably the fittest olympians are water polo athletes. Having anti contests only serve to point more to the original prejudice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    I hate discussions like this. This is not about perception but the young boner marketplace. Size often has nothing to do with athleticism. Arguably the fittest olympians are water polo athletes. Having anti contests only serve to point more to the original prejudice.
    Well one of the things that makes me feel sad is when you have to applaud and point out good characters because of the abundance of the same old same old.

    IE. Having to applaud having a character like Lin BeiFong in Legend of Korra because she's not the stereotype of young kids kicking ass. Yet there's always a wise old monk/kung fu male master/fat drunk guy who knows how to kick butt etc... Should it really have been that hard to extend it to a female character? The way the market is...yeah it's kinda like...wtf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vineris View Post
    Since the whole point is that they all have superpowers, they don't all need to be fit. Professor X is in a wheelchair, for fuck's sake. There can be whole battalions of fat telepaths, or anyone whose powers depend on their mind. I stopped reading superhero comics in the late 1990s but there used to be quite a variety of body shapes on the supervillain side, especially in the more humorous titles.
    Wait. This is why I wrote "usually".

    I've read more carefully the contest description and at first glance that Batwoman piece seemed typical attractive female comic character. To my surprise it was described as fat and not fitting the industry standard... well. Not really much to talk about. This is one of the many reasons why I don't read superhero comic. Luckily I got many alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    I hate discussions like this. This is not about perception but the young boner marketplace. Size often has nothing to do with athleticism. Arguably the fittest olympians are water polo athletes. Having anti contests only serve to point more to the original prejudice.
    I had to like this just because you mentioned water-polo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post
    Wait. This is why I wrote "usually".

    I've read more carefully the contest description and at first glance that Batwoman piece seemed typical attractive female comic character. To my surprise it was described as fat and not fitting the industry standard... well. Not really much to talk about. This is one of the many reasons why I don't read superhero comic. Luckily I got many alternatives.
    yeah....I have mixed feelings about it. I don't think she was fat by any means, but the drawing wasn't particularly appealing either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post
    Wait. This is why I wrote "usually".
    But I don't think that it's even "usually". We're talking about a whole race of magicians. The only ones that have to be athletic are those who fight physically.

    Out of the whole roster of female X-men, for example, only 6 out of 39 have physical powers like super-strength or super-speed (that aren't related to shape-shifting). That's a very small minority. The rest of 'em could easily sit on their collective ass and lob fireballs into battle.

    But since, as bcarman said, it's all about who's wanking to what, it hardly matters. Nobody's going to point out that Emma Frost can't fight in lingerie, much less toss her for someone who makes sense. I say don't worry about it, it's so easy to make and distribute a comic online these days that everybody's growing their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice Herring View Post
    yeah....I have mixed feelings about it. I don't think she was fat by any means, but the drawing wasn't particularly appealing either.
    These were some other images she had made to show at Comic-Con.

    [link] [link] [link]

    Not really relevant, though.
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    Batwoman doesn't seem consistent with her style. Am I wrong to think there might have been some heavy referencing going on? I feel like something's missing from this story. It doesn't seem right that she would present this and the first thing out of a professional's mouth was "She's fat, go away until you're drawing exactly like the rest of us".
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    She was at SDCC and the tumblr mentions that she isn't the best artist...it was http://manboobmaiden.tumblr.com/post...-book-industry

    http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/post/2...drawn-based-on

    She mentions it was the piece she got the most flack for, so obviously she has other pieces she submitted.

    “Her breasts are much too small and do not have the lift that superhero women should have. Her jawline is fat and her neck much too long. The style of her hair is clunky and does not flow in a sense that a super human would. Her hips, waist and thighs are too big and she honestly looks fat. No one is going to want to read a comic with a fat female protagonist. I honestly recommend looking at issues of Sport’s Illustrated to get the right anatomy. Those women are the peak of human perfection, and that is what we want in this industry.”

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    Beautiful. The older I got the more gorgeous this physique became to me.
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    Yeah, because people who look like this and don't compete professionally are so attractive with their heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, arthritis and sleep apnea, all before their 40. Since over one third of America is obese lets make all the media reflect that, so fat, unhealthy people can feel good about being that way. Its so American.
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