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    Quote Originally Posted by LightandDark View Post
    Then again you also have male depictions in comics that are also equally idealized with some sort of god-like muscular physic, good looks and almost hairless body.
    The only Superhero that breaks that stereotype AFAIK is Wolverine with his hairy arms and less than ideal looks (before he was Hue-Jackmaned that is) and people still like him.
    Sasquatch, Puck, and Beast are all very hairy.

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    For the rest I think there are not enough female feminists that are into making comic books and care enough to make their hot female protagonists slightly overweight or stocky.
    I present to you.... BIG BERTHA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgardSerpent View Post
    Sasquatch, Puck, and Beast are all very hairy.
    Heh but most of them represent an edgy unique minority and are mostly condemned for these traits as weakness.

    Wolverine's weakness is his bad temper and sordid past.

    And Bertha: we are not talking about one dimensional characters who can only be described as very obese (female counterpart of the blob from x-men) + Big Bertha's natural form is that of a skinny supermodel called Ashley Crawford so again its not really an example.
    Obesity is unhealthy on either male or female(can cause various physical problems) and it falls under a different category than just being fat.
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    Well there is Granny Goodness and Big Barda.

    Big Barda was intentionally made to counter a stereotype comics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgardSerpent View Post
    I don't like characters dying and coming back over and over again either, but one could make an argument of it befitting a character like Jean Grey.

    And it's very silly singling Marvel out for your rant, Dc (among others) is equally as guilty of rebooting, retconning, and sexually exploiting their franchises. Especially considering we're about a year in with a massive reboot of all their titles.
    I never liked Jean. I'll never like Jean. I think she is a very boring character and was very happy when they killed her off. But that is my opinion. I'm sure others would disagree.

    I don't keep up with DC. That's why I singled out Marvel. And honestly dude we can branch out of comics into other media that do the exact same thing. I just ragged on Marvel alone because that's what I know. And I don't hate Marvel or anything like that. I'm just ragging on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigonWulf View Post
    I never liked Jean. I'll never like Jean. I think she is a very boring character and was very happy when they killed her off. But that is my opinion. I'm sure others would disagree.
    Jean Grey was a tool to further the male personalities in the comic. The only time she was interesting was the Phoenix Saga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightandDark View Post
    And Bertha: we are not talking about one dimensional characters who can only be described as very obese (female counterpart of the blob from x-men) + Big Bertha's natural form is that of a skinny supermodel called Ashley Crawford so again its not really an example.
    Obesity is unhealthy on either male or female(can cause various physical problems) and it falls under a different category than just being fat.
    I'm actually a bit surprised she even exists and there isn't more of an uproar about her. I mean, she's just so crass as a character. It's like a pretty bad, offensive joke. Probably too much of a niche hero for people to care.



    Quote Originally Posted by SigonWulf View Post
    I never liked Jean. I'll never like Jean. I think she is a very boring character and was very happy when they killed her off. But that is my opinion. I'm sure others would disagree.
    Grant Morrison actually tried to change things a bit by killing off Jean and making Cyclops and Emma a steady couple. And it lasted a good awhile, for about 10+ years. But they're rebooting it again with the Marvel Now event! Quite ironic since one of his main points in New X-men was trying to forward and leave the past (Jean) behind.


    Quote Originally Posted by SigonWulf View Post
    I don't keep up with DC. That's why I singled out Marvel. And honestly dude we can branch out of comics into other media that do the exact same thing. I just ragged on Marvel alone because that's what I know. And I don't hate Marvel or anything like that. I'm just ragging on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgardSerpent View Post
    I'm actually a bit surprised she even exists and there isn't more of an uproar about her. I mean, she's just so crass as a character. It's like a pretty bad, offensive joke. Probably too much of a niche hero for people to care.
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    Religion, gender ideals, politics, we are really touching on some sensitive topics here. Pretty sure we all need a lot more beer in order to effectively discuss such hard hitting issues.
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    I was going to say something really thoughtful then I saw the tags.

    Have none of you stopped to realise there is some stranger asking for help down there?
    They've probably died from a bowel obstruction by now.
    We could have saved a life here, guys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LightandDark View Post
    For the rest I think there are not enough female feminists that are into making comic books and care enough to make their hot female protagonists slightly overweight or stocky.

    I think its a discussion about nothing because really its something no one really cares to change much.
    You could say its like feminists calling to males to give them control while in reality most of them probably wouldn't be interested in dating someone submissive who did not at least offer to pay for them in the end.
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    Allrighty then, if it's all the same to you.
    I really can't tell if you're trying to make peace here or start something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigonWulf View Post
    I really can't tell if you're trying to make peace here or start something.
    Guess it was lost in translation. I thought if I didn't add a smiley it would be taken the wrong way, but apparently it can just as well be interpreted the opposite way.

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