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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    That's not how noses work.
    How do they work? (Not trying to be harsh, it's just that saying something is bad... well, doesn't help a lot without saying how to do it good xD)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelula View Post
    Ouch, I feel stupid now xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelula View Post
    How do they work? (Not trying to be harsh, it's just that saying something is bad... well, doesn't help a lot without saying how to do it good xD)
    Or you could try to figure this answer out by yourself now that you have been noted about that there is some problem in the nose. Consult anatomy books you may have, look how other good artists have drawn and painted noses in portraits etc and compare those to real noses (photos, look at your own in a mirror), try to identify problems you have in the construction, form, go back to the sketch stage, do more nose studies, etc...

    Just saying that, us telling how to do something will not teach you to learn to find and fix your own mistakes, you'll have to do work on that and also learn on your own and take the initiative to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    Or you could try to figure this answer out by yourself now that you have been noted about that there is some problem in the nose. Consult anatomy books you may have, look how other good artists have drawn and painted noses in portraits etc and compare those to real noses (photos, look at your own in a mirror), try to identify problems you have in the construction, form, go back to the sketch stage, do more nose studies, etc...

    Just saying that, us telling how to do something will not teach you to learn to find and fix your own mistakes, you'll have to do work on that and also learn on your own and take the initiative to do so.
    Well, for me it's a bit obvious that I'm looking also at books (Another user recommended me some I'm looking at, for example) but if I made a post was for having some tips apart from what I can learn from books. What to prioritize, what type of books, what to go after first, etc... that sort of things.

    I already knew that the nose looks awkward, just like the teeth and everything else, but at the moment I don't know if there's a book specializing on the face parts or in noses specifically. That would be a nice advice to get if someone knew one, for example. Just googling "nose books" can get me a huge list of books but I can't exactly know which one of them would go better. And well, I'd love to, but I don't have the time to look at all them =/

    I'm not trying to come here and say "Hey, you guys, do it all for me!". Already googled, also googled while doing the portrait. It's just I prefer some human interaction in this things, that's why I asked in a forum. Sorry if just asking makes me look like I have no initiative, but actually I have a lot. I like to have information from all type of sources: books, tutorials, forums, other artists, streams, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelula View Post
    I already knew that the nose looks awkward, just like the teeth and everything else, but at the moment I don't know if there's a book specializing on the face parts or in noses specifically.
    Well, books aren't the answer to everything, though they're always helpful. But like I also mentioned:
    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    look how other good artists have drawn and painted noses in portraits etc and compare those to real noses (photos, look at your own in a mirror), try to identify problems you have in the construction, form, go back to the sketch stage, do more nose studies, etc...
    So you have a book (Loomis, Bridgman or Bammes I'd guess?), now would be when you start to learn how to construct the nose. And don't just Google, actually pull out a mirror and start looking at your own. It's always better to use a real 3D object that you can turn when trying to figure out the construction of something. Take the method of drawing/construction in the book and try to apply it to a real nose. Again, if you don't succeed first, do more studies until you get it to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelula View Post
    I already knew that the nose looks awkward, just like the teeth and everything else, but at the moment I don't know if there's a book specializing on the face parts or in noses specifically. That would be a nice advice to get if someone knew one, for example. Just googling "nose books" can get me a huge list of books but I can't exactly know which one of them would go better. And well, I'd love to, but I don't have the time to look at all them =/
    The fact that you are thinking of the nose (and other features) as something separate from the face is part of your problem.

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    i would personally stick to black and white value. It's like your trying to participate in a advanced course without having the knowledge from the beginner and intermediate sessions. Also extend the canvas and put the image side by side both when painting and posting up on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    So you have a book (Loomis, Bridgman or Bammes I'd guess?), now would be when you start to learn how to construct the nose. And don't just Google, actually pull out a mirror and start looking at your own. It's always better to use a real 3D object that you can turn when trying to figure out the construction of something. Take the method of drawing/construction in the book and try to apply it to a real nose. Again, if you don't succeed first, do more studies until you get it to work.
    I'm starting with Loomis, the one that arenhaus recommended me. Also found "Figure Drawing" by him too, so I'm getting it also.

    I'll buy a little mirror to have in the PC while I draw then

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    The fact that you are thinking of the nose (and other features) as something separate from the face is part of your problem.
    Mm... yes, never thought of that. Mentally I was thinking about were the nose was put, where the eyes were put, where the mouth was put... but had some problems with the skin between it, so I guess it was this. Thank you, I'll try to change that.

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    also for value - http://www.mediafire.com/?6a4gu147t4lmc4f try those. but i would work on your line drawing and proportions first. GL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Sanders View Post
    also for value - http://www.mediafire.com/?6a4gu147t4lmc4f try those. but i would work on your line drawing and proportions first. GL.
    Oh, never seen this, it's so useful. All I had was photographs to copy from, but this can help me making the base idea of where goes everything on the head and how it is shaded. Thank you

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    Photos, especially if they aren't very well lit to show forms, usually don't provide enough information for someone who doesn't know the anatomy of the face I think.
    The nose is very off, you should do it much better using photos alone. But a live model (you and a mirror is fine too) is even better as you see the forms in 3d. In your drawing the nose planes mostly face us (with assymmetrical illogical grooves) then the cheeks seem to appear in some distance. The human face isn't like this. You didn't positioned the crease well either.
    As Elwell said, you shouldn't think of a nose as a feature that should be drawn on the head. You can't really separate the nose from the surrounding areas as there are no definite border. Noses are kind of hard to draw in front view, especially using lines because there aren't definite edges on their side. You can't decide how the nose ends and the cheek/eye area starts. When I try to draw a nose, I almost always end up drawing the other face features as well because of it.
    The white of the eyes are totally the color of the highlighted area of the skin, there are no mascara visible - poor eyes totally lose against the bright red mouth. It's bad because it's unbalanced and less realistic this way, the eyes are more important IMO and they are better painted than the mouth. But I won't criticize the latter now.

    If you don't like portraits and have problems with head anatomy, making a caricature must be a bit too tough... I just mentioned this, you totally can learn from this painting and improve it a lot if you put more effort and attention into it.

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    I guess that while I was expanding the photo to see it better I expanded it vertically more than horizontally and copied it that way without noticing >_<

    Also, her hair originally was heaped at her right side, so that contributes to this failure.

    Looks like an alien xD

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    yes, if you remove the hair. I think its good way that you do first the head wiuthour the hair

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    Best advice i ever got so far for making studies, portraits, stuff from life etc... was: Keep looking at your reference all the time and draw/paint what you really see and not what you think there is.

    Just wanted to say this because most parts in this portrait look like generic shapes and not taken from your reference.

    When i started drawing and realized my portraits sucked i did a few with using a grid on my reference and sometimes also a grid on the paper i worked on. That really helped me to draw what was in front of me because it made me draw the actual shapes and not some i made up in my mind. But well i don't know if i should recommend doing this...probably not.

    Sooo keep looking at your reference all the time. I still struggle with it but it helps

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