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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Jake, I don't know exactly what you're using (is it this?), but I can guarantee you that, if it's sold as a commercial housepaint, it's not lead based (don't be fooled by the ridiculous California lead warning that's required on anything with titanium pigments). Lead housepaint has been illegal in the US since the '70s.
    Welp, you are probably right about that. Oh well. Still works well enough for painting shitty paintings over even shittier paintings and saves me money on having to buy new canvases all the time.

    I'm considering getting some Natural Pigments Lead Ground. You know, just to have a taste of the good stuff...


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    I use a cheap primer called Liquitex Basics acrylic paint

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    Qitsune - was it all with latex paint or did they go over the latex with oils? By the way, what was that job like? Sounds interesting!

    I went and picked up a gallon of the cheapest stuff Hobby Lobby had. It was called Primo and I got it for fifteen bucks, so I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow. I'm still thinking about keeping the latex though, for still lifes and other cheapo paint emergencies. If anyone has had good or bad experiences with different primers/gessos, please share!

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    Bodied, it was latex housepaint over latex primer over super toxic fiberglass like stuff, finished with acrylic paint for the details. Some of them had 4-6 coats in them because we would reuse the bases for different puppets.

    The tasks were great but the pay was shit and the management shittier.

    By the way Jake, if you know how to stretch canvas, you can just cut off the canvases and reuse the stretchers. Or do like Greg Manchess and paint on unstretched canvas.

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    Here's the deal. If you want to learn how to do something do it right. Why "learn" and try to understand your media with inferior materials? Then have to get used to and re-learn with professional grade materials?

    It's a "when in Rome" thing...what do the pros you admire use? Use that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Why "learn" and try to understand your media with inferior materials?
    Because when you're a student you have no money? Dumpster-diving and creative recycling was a way of life in our school...

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    Because when you're a student you have no money? Dumpster-diving and creative recycling was a way of life in our school...
    Sure - I understand that. But it means you aren't really serious then about learning your craft at that point either. If you want to dabble then yeah, dabble away on whatever comes to hand, but if you're actually selling or giving work to friends along with trying to actually develop some skills, you're best off following the lead of those creating the kind of work you want to create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Sure - I understand that. But it means you aren't really serious then about learning your craft at that point either.
    When I say no money, I mean NO. MONEY. Sometimes you have to compromise on art supplies... use the good stuff for this assignment where materials are crucial, use whatever else for that assignment where materials are less crucial or you're almost sure it's going to get tossed in a few weeks anyway... you know.

    If you're learning general overall painting skills, then yeah, better supplies are better. If you're just knocking out rough throwaway sketches in order to work on value or composition or something (or you're making your umpteenth set of grayscale swatches,) then it doesn't much matter what you use.

    Although if you're making stuff you think you'll keep or sell, then I agree, better to use decent supplies. You definitely wouldn't want to sell something and have it go to pieces in a year.

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    Agreed that in a dead-broke situation you might need to skimp on something or the other as a student, but to be fair to Jeff here... that learning process is made much harder when you're fighting with those shitty, 99 cent sandpape- err, canvas panels. Been in that position several times though, so I don't know that it's fair to say it doesn't make you serious...

    Now, if for some reason you're going after the best paints you can buy, but you're skimping on brushes and surfaces... that's worthy of a glare. (I'm just assuming this wasn't endemic to my school)

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    Jeff, it really can be a matter of sacrifice sometimes as a student. I want to use durable stuff, but I'm not at a point where I can buy the finest paints and brushes - it's simply out of my budget. Doesn't make me any less of a serious learner, and in some cases you can just sell very cheaply done sketches quickly. And when you experiment with cheaper materials, you don't feel as bad when you make a mistake. However I would still like to use the good stuff...when I can afford it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Here's the deal. If you want to learn how to do something do it right. Why "learn" and try to understand your media with inferior materials? Then have to get used to and re-learn with professional grade materials?

    It's a "when in Rome" thing...what do the pros you admire use? Use that.
    Can't agree with this. Whether you're painting on acrylic primed cardboard or expensive linen you're still learning. By your mentality he should simply not paint at all until he can afford what the pro's use. If a beginner is only using really nice materials they will feel like they have to paint a masterpiece every time to justify the cost. I say buy some stacks of those cheap ass panels and go nuts...paint everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackthorne View Post
    Can't agree with this.
    That's ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackthorne View Post
    Whether you're painting on acrylic primed cardboard or expensive linen you're still learning. By your mentality he should simply not paint at all until he can afford what the pro's use. If a beginner is only using really nice materials they will feel like they have to paint a masterpiece every time to justify the cost. I say buy some stacks of those cheap ass panels and go nuts...paint everything!
    I never said "don't paint at all until you can afford what the pros use".

    Simple logic and common sense provides the answer. Pros use professional grade materials, equipment and process...why? Because they make their job easier with less hassle and provide better results or product.

    So why make it harder than it has to be? Materials and equipment are by far the easist part of the process to control. Art materials are not all that expensive in the scheme of things. Like I said, if you're serious about it you'll do what it takes to make it happen...anything else is just an excuse.
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