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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtonw View Post
    Are you for serious.

    Their art doesn't look like photographs because they didn't have any photographs to copy.
    You don't need a photograph if it's something that doesn't move. A modern realist does a building and it's like you're actually looking at a building, Vermeen draws a building and it just looks like a decent likeness, but not perfectly realistic like modern paintings.


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    What is it with you and things that don't move? I'm with Noah, please be a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtonw View Post
    What is it with you and things that don't move? I'm with Noah, please be a troll.
    Because the only advantage of a photograph over a model is that it never moves, never changes and is always there when you need it. I can understand drawing people using a model is more difficult than copying a photograph, but those advantages disappear when the thing you're painting doesn't move. There's no reason why it shouldn't look absolutely perfectly realistic. Why are modern artists so much more successful in their attempts to depict things realistically?

    Not a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Admit it Elwell this is your Schadenfreude
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

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    Like it or not, those artists were realists and were commissioned to depict things as they really were, and the most successful artists back then like DaVinci, Rembrandt etc were nowhere near as good at depicting things realistically as today's artists."
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    Neither is this:

    Attachment 1522568

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    Quote Originally Posted by elwell View Post
    neither is this:

    Attachment 1522568
    but it looks so real


    eta omg why can't i type in all caps ;_;

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyArterson View Post
    Like it or not, those artists were realists and were commissioned to depict things as they really were,
    Not true.
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    I'm interested in why there was such a huge increase in the quality of realistic paintings, and not in other fields like Sculpture for example, where the masters of 100+ years ago are clearly better than anyone alive today at realistically depicting life.
    Also not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyArterson View Post
    Because the only advantage of a photograph over a model is that it never moves, never changes and is always there when you need it. I can understand drawing people using a model is more difficult than copying a photograph, but those advantages disappear when the thing you're painting doesn't move. There's no reason why it shouldn't look absolutely perfectly realistic. Why are modern artists so much more successful in their attempts to depict things realistically?

    Not a troll.
    You can't actually be that stupid can you? The only important difference to a painter is the sun moving across the object in real life. Even indoors natural light changes dramatically. Of course you wouldn't know that because you've never painted from life. Painting from photos is only hard for beginners. Its a NOOB problem easily solved.

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    Is there even a point to this thread?

    "Because the only advantage of a photograph over a model is that it never moves, never changes and is always there when you need it. I can understand drawing people using a model is more difficult than copying a photograph, but those advantages disappear when the thing you're painting doesn't move. There's no reason why it shouldn't look absolutely perfectly realistic. Why are modern artists so much more successful in their attempts to depict things realistically?"

    This appears to be a variant of "begging the question." I mean, really, you're essentially saying that "modern" (I think you mean "contemporary") artists are "better" because they are able to use photo-ref.

    Right?

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    Why are modern artists so much better than artists from 100+ years ago?
    why didnt medieval people kill other people with their sword and bow as efficient as we do with our gun today ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyArterson View Post
    The artists of antiquity weren't very good at depicting things realistically in comparison to modern artists who produce art that literally looks like a photograph.

    I always thought it was because artists like Leonardo DaVinci, Raphael, Rembrandt etc didn't have access to perfectly still photographs like modern artists - but even their depictions of things that don't move at all, like the classic bowl of fruit or landscapes, really don't look very realistic at all by modern standards.
    they were the master of their time, how could you NOT getting this through your head ?

    Why are modern artists so much more successful in their attempts to depict things realistically?
    because they dont have to spend a few thousand years in a cave drawing stick figures and animals and symbolic sun and star, then another few thousand years develop and study color theory, perspective, anatomy, etc and another few hundred years invent photography, charoal pencil and drawing tool
    because everything from before can be found packed neatly in something we call "drawing book"

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    Photos do not actually look very much like reality.

    Paintings that look like photos also don't look very much like reality.

    Learn to observe.

    (Never mind that "looking real" is not and never has been the sole criteria for creating and judging art, by a long shot. Learn some art history while you're at it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyArterson View Post
    Like it or not, those artists were realists and were commissioned to depict things as they really were,
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Not true.
    GOD DAMMIT! THIS HAPPENED HE WAS THERE AND PAINTED IT
    Why are modern artists so much better than artists from 100+ years ago?

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