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    That's not a thumbnail - that's rough linework. You're skipping a step.

    Read tinybird's link and show us thumbnails. Many of them. 5 or more (more is better). Plan out the composition with your major values. They should be small, and we shouldn't see any detail. We should however, still be able to read all the important bits easily.
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    the room adds nothing to the story... so get rid of it... get rid of everything that adds nothing to the story. youre complicating it unneccessarily.

    zoom in on the figures and tell the story by their relation to each other and their expressions.

    and as for the ghost... it either reads as one or it doesnt. there are several target groups which interpret things differently, but as far as i can tell in most asian movies i saw ghosts been semi-transparent aswell... its just the most effective way to show its a ghost... otherwise it may just be some dude with a bad hair day. if you find a better way... great, but always be aware it has to shout ghost... you shouldnt have to rely on explanations.

    [edit] another possible way could be to give him another value-scale than the living human... more highkey e.g., solid but glowing, or fumes, or a shadow, or whatever...
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    heres a quick thumbnail to show what i mean above and how id possibly approach it...

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    i think the condesed values on the ghost might actually be enough differentiation between the two to tell us as the audience they are not of the same matter... just one possible approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by untier View Post
    Many editors I knew online were young naughty girls, someone might be bitchy… I mean they might unleash their anger at you for their unharmonious sex life last night or something they thought unfair… What’s your skills to persuade the headstrong girls that interferes your business online?
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    Good luck with your professional career .
    enough said on that really I suppose! However.......

    Untier I was rather sad to read your comment about naughty young girls as editors/ directors is that really your experience!?
    My professional career is only in its early stages I admit and despite it being in the area of children's picture books and the occasional historical romance cover I have to say that all the editors and directors I have come across so far have been totally professional. They usually give me reasonably detailed instructions on what they want and expect me to come up with the goods on time or before (I always try to come in before the deadline!). Yes they can slap you down hard sometimes but remember they are trying to make money and are paying you for a service, that service you are contractually obligated to fulfill too by the way when you agree to do it and sign on the line..
    Not really sure where you are coming from with that mate, not sure at all! and I wouldn't want an aspiring youngster put off or mislead by it so do please elaborate.
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    wait, is this supposed to be a jiang shi? Or a Hungry Ghost? (eurgh on both counts.)

    Your new composition still doesn't work, and the 'dutch tilt' doesn't do anything for it. Do more thumbnails as TB has mentioned. Remember that how you frame the shot is just as important as how you layout the shot. (So much unnecessary space! whyyy.)

    Also, your assumptions regarding other women's lives sexual or otherwise is completely inappropriate and unprofessional. And what is with the interfering with your business online bullshit? If it's THEIR magazine/site, it's not your business - it's theirs. If someone else is paying and calling the shots, you either accept their direction or don't do the job. You might be able to offer alternative solutions, but it depends on the personality of the director. Based on the drawing you provided earlier, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if your lighting was off. I'd actually be surprised if it was correct.

    Overall, I wouldn't think 16 dollars was a decent wage for a job. However I wouldn't consider your work professional level. If you'd like to do these kinds of illustrations for fun that's fine, but you need to add some serious study including drawing actual things and places. (and people in them! go out and do some sketching of people in coffee shops!) Start going to museums and looking at existing paintings - what are the compositions? How are the objects/framing arranged to help sell the story? Go! Draw! Learn! (Don't accuse people of trying to interfere with your online business unless you have proof they are launching DDoS attacks or libel.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by untier View Post
    arenhaus:Elwell: She didn't ask for a thumnail from me...
    The thumbnails are for you to come to a good design, not for her. An extra ten minutes doing thumbnails is definitely worth it as it almost always results in a better painting (in my experience anyhow).
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    Quote Originally Posted by untier View Post
    I argued it about she misunderstood my lighting idea, but she said my lighting was wrong. And she persisted on asking me to modify it. I implored her to ask the Chief Editor. She refused at first, but after a while she agreed. Thank God the chief editor said mine was correct… Then for some vague refusals how should we reason it? The only way is to obey any order and judgment? Many editors I knew online were young naughty girls, someone might be bitchy… I mean they might unleash their anger at you for their unharmonious sex life last night or something they thought unfair… What’s your skills to persuade the headstrong girls that interferes your business online?
    You sound like a nightmare.

    Keep this in mind; there are a lot of people out there with shit hot work who dont mind doing exactly what the client wants. Theyre called professionals.

    This is training. Id take the money, its better than $0. If you keep working, youll make it and look back and say "WTF was I thinking?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by untier View Post
    What’s your skills to persuade the headstrong girls that interferes your business online?
    I don't know. What's your skills to persuade artists with mediocre art who blame their troubles on the sex life of other people to improve their art and stop being rude to clients? Perhaps when you solve this mystery your luck with jobs will magically improve.
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    TinyBird: I know when I talked with so many words on ghosts, my composition of literature was done for, too... So I'm a composition-blind guy. I've never said I've done anything professional in the category of realistic illustration and concept art. I said only that I did some illustrations for children’s book and cartoony comics. And not many, nothing like an entire series. Though I planned to do so, I didn’t have enough time. The lighting thing was based on one of my comics, which wasn’t so crucial to judge whether or not the page could be published. Anyways thank you for your careful advices to me!


    Alice Herring: Have I offended a women’s league? I’m sure I was kidding much on that sex life thing. But there are really unfair dark corners everywhere on earth. If you didn’t meet any, I’d better keep it unsaid too, for I don’t wanna scare heavenly girls. Sometimes girls are really like children. So are some men, of course. They dare to do whatever they feel enjoyed in, very very selfish, no matter whether it’s harmful to others. Did you ever heard the word “dictator”? Your restricting attitude is fairly advisable. After all, thank you for your time!

    Hexokinase: I get it. Very helpful.

    sone one: Mate, your words are very helpful. It’s no doubt ghosts can be sighted as transparent. That’s based on human’s visual system under some condition. As long as you’re a human being…
    Your thumbnail catches the chilling atmosphere! It summoned my goose bumps… even though it’s so vague.

    Elwell: Thank you very much, man…

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    I wouldn't want an aspiring youngster put off or mislead by it so do please elaborate
    Hey, buddy.I’d say you’re lucky that you’ve never met a troublesome editor. I know that the publishers and studios value the profit first, and I also know good ones will lead their editors or art directors to treat the artists they selected and viewed as having the potential kindly and patiently. I’m not batman, so I can't survive after I involve my self too deep into devil’s nest… And I’m afraid that I may be accidentally injured by some neutral creatures… Anyways, most of what I said were just exaggerating the exaggerations. You could not take it too seriously.

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    Vellocity kendall: I’m awake. I 100% agree with your penetrating speech!

    Vineris: Very inspiring, quite philosophical.

    Hi, thank you everyone for your advices or lessons. I’m going to save my time to the sketchy here. Straying away is the worst composition. Come on!

    Below are some examples, simple, bad anatomy and mainly no lighting. But they still have souls and a market, and have been paid.
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    Back to the subject. Thumbnails! And nail clippers...
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    Hmm I think some of these are pretty cool ideas... But I cant let that get in the way of my judgment. So.. With the exception of the first one all the other images are pretty much the same, girl in foreground, ghost behind her, mostly frontal view.

    Imagine being in this scene as the characters are frozen in place, moving around the room holding a camera, moving it around at all different angles and heights to try to get an interesting photo. Now the photos you take in your mind of this scene should be what your thumbnails are.

    I will say tho the first creature gives off the most ghostly vibe, imo. I really like the upside down guy too... dunno why, upside down people are usually pretty cool though..
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    "Hey, buddy.I’d say you’re lucky that you’ve never met a troublesome editor. I know that the publishers and studios value the profit first"

    "Alice Herring: Have I offended a women’s league?..Your restricting attitude is fairly advisable..."

    ha ha ha ha uh oh
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