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    Wow, those are great Anthis! Can't believe they are from posemaniacs, they look so natural. Guess you have a lot of experience drawing from life that you can do that! How long did you spend per drawing?
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    am I too late to join in? I've been doing a lot of gesture drawing lately. I could perhaps join in the next round, but here are the drawings I've made this weekend. No knee though.
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    Hamorhage - great gestures and those knee studies are impressive! Are they Hogarth? If so, you're rekindling my faith in Hogarth once again

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    - if you didn't tell me they're from Posemanics I would never have guessed - you captured the natural lines and rhythm of the bodies so well.

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    - great studies!
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    J8stine; The anatomical study wasn´t specifically required, just useful. Also, images in your last post are not appearing! (edit: they are now!) Nice to have mixed imagination and reference! There´s quite some variation in your gestures as well. Some seem more focused then others, or perhaps you used a different method. For example in #26 the legs are really strong. You can clearly see how her left leg bends, and the right one supports the body. The foreshortening is very effective despite the the minimal lines. Very accurate. #43 has this as well. Note how slight differences can make a huge differences. Be conscious with those lines!

    AdrianNagorski; I´ve seen those fencers before, are you using any specific reference source perhaps? Bottom left pose has fantastic legs with- ironically- great knees. Watch them! your second pose, and the ballet dancer on the far left in the middle have very weak knees. Despite this, the gesture is good in most of these. The sense of weight is strong in those fencers and the football player.

    kayness; Yep, that's exactly why I wanted to do a knee 'special'. I may do this more often and I'll be sure to announce it properly, hehe. You did a great job on these, very thorough. Especially on those muscle masses. Note however that the patella/knee cap sits slightly above the actual joint. Here's a video demonstrating knee function, check from 30sec onward. Of course, its a 3d model and anatomy is subject to variation... You can actually feel your own knee, the round knee cap with the patellar tendon below feeling a bit like a triangle pointing down, attaching to the tibia. It's puzzling how a knee works. I think your studies are fantastic, I just thought this piece of anatomy seemed somewhat left blank.

    Animare; There are several gesture drawing sites like that, do you need more links like those?
    You're doing a nice job on these - I've also noticed some of the 'Reilly method' in there, haha. You seem to be having trouble with the correct head placement. When you're doing your gestures and using a line to indicate the spine (as you've done in many of yours), try to continue through the neck into the base of the head. Don't skip that part! Great work on those lower legs and the transition into the feet in #13, 14, 15 - pretty strong!

    Hamorhage; Always good to see a bit of Bridgman, especially combined with different 'schools'. I personally like Hampton and Loomis too, have yet to look into Hogarth thoroughly. Excellent studies. Your first gestures are a bit 'hard', with strong and straight lines. It seems that the later ones (#13 onward) are getting more and more dynamic. Perhaps because you're getting more accurate in using straight lines opposed to curved (like in #32, her right leg has both a well placed straight and curved line). I'm just thinking out loud though... is it a conscious method?

    Obstfelder; Na, not too late. Though I am trying to get this thing running 'on schedule', but that will also depend on more punctual posting from me. You do have some strong knees in there - especially the woman lying down. Great exercise, do you just pick 3 base colours? I like the different methods in your gesture drawing. I'm trying to stay away from too much contour drawing myself, but I've heard they are useful. I like the gestures with 'squiggly' lines most, as opposed to the straight lines. They seem most effective in terms of gesture. But perhaps the latter serve a different purpose?

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    omigosh! I totally didn't know that the kneecap is there. That anatomy book gave me the impression that the kneecap sits right on the joints.

    and thank you!

    some non-knee anatomy studies & some cartoon expressions:
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    Thankyou for the valuable feedback Anthis =) I think I will do more practice on digital gesture studies, since I think it's not being used to my tablet pen that is causing quite so much variation in my quality of line.

    I'm not sure if it's just your internet, but I can see the one attachment in my second post so I thought it had uploaded ok - can anyone else see it? It has traditional studies in it.
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    kayness; It's something that suddenly struck me. I love your new ones - I hope you noticed the new topic is already up as well though!

    j8stine; No problem, I can see everything now. My internet was acting up yesterday, so the problem may have been on my side. I'd agree with you on the lines, I personally feel digital is much less natural. I still need to warm to it.

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    Wow this is great! I love your crit Anthis, and I think it's really beneficial. Even reading the crits on the other people posting was very useful with specific references to certain drawn poses. I consider myself too inexperienced to crit people, but I think from next week on I will share my thoughts as well, it will force me to look more critically to other people's work and learn both from my mistakes and others. I think I found a new home

    PS: I actually did some studies of drawings of Stephen Silver before I did my 1 minute poses, it's because of that that I was experimenting a bit more with shapes and the use of curves and lines where I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthis View Post
    Obstfelder; Na, not too late. Though I am trying to get this thing running 'on schedule', but that will also depend on more punctual posting from me. You do have some strong knees in there - especially the woman lying down. Great exercise, do you just pick 3 base colours? I like the different methods in your gesture drawing. I'm trying to stay away from too much contour drawing myself, but I've heard they are useful. I like the gestures with 'squiggly' lines most, as opposed to the straight lines. They seem most effective in terms of gesture. But perhaps the latter serve a different purpose?
    Not really a different purpose to the straight lines, but I've been trying out different approaches, and the straight lines is something I've rarely done and felt I could try to practice.

    It works better for drawing hard objects I guess, but I like the idea of drawing the human figure like you would sketch a mechanical thing.

    About the colors, I've been making myself a bunch of swatches for skin color that I use for the gestures so that I can work as fast as possible. It's inacurate though, so I tend to tweak them if I can manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthis View Post
    J8stine;
    Animare; There are several gesture drawing sites like that, do you need more links like those?
    You're doing a nice job on these - I've also noticed some of the 'Reilly method' in there, haha. You seem to be having trouble with the correct head placement. When you're doing your gestures and using a line to indicate the spine (as you've done in many of yours), try to continue through the neck into the base of the head. Don't skip that part! Great work on those lower legs and the transition into the feet in #13, 14, 15 - pretty strong!
    Thanks for the feedback Anthis, I will try that.
    If you have links to more gesture drawing sites that would be awesome They're so helpful!
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    Animare - These are the gesture drawing websites that I often use (plus the pixelovely one). Some of them use the same stock photography though, so you may see the same image every once in a while.

    http://www.quickposes.com/
    http://www.lovecastle.org/draw/
    http://www.posemaniacs.com/

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