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    Question Houdon 12" or Fem. Anatomical. Fig. V1 23"

    Houdon 12" or Fem. Anatomical. Fig. V1 23"
    Hi everybody. I am going to buy reference ecorche figure. But I'm confused. I have 2 options;

    -Houdon's 12" tall ecorche figure by Keropian (200$)
    http://www.keropiansculpture.com/houdon_ecorche.html

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    -Female Anatomy Figure V1 (325$) by Andrew Cawrse
    http://www.amazon.com/Female-Anatomy...=Andrew+Cawrse

    Is Houdon's 12" is too small for details?

    thanks a lot.
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    I cannot answer your question, but I'm puzzled as to why you would spend hundreds of dollars on an anatomical model, while a good atlas teaches you more?

    As an aside, a teacher of mine came to tell me that the model had lost his penis. I must have looked a bit puzzled, as I had met the model hours before, and he looked okay. She added that it was probably stolen, as it was only attached by a little magnet. Only then I realized she was talking about some anatomical model
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    I have no personal experience to speak of here, but this ecorche figure comes highly recommended. Apparently all of that company's products have a great level of detail, and artistic craftsmanship. The photos do look really nice; I like their choices with what anatomy to show, and some limbs are removable too. I'm planning to buy from them once I get enough money...

    Eezacque - I think it's kind of obvious that a three-dimensional figurine of a whole human figure would be more useful than a selection of 2D photos or drawings? They both have their uses, sure, and a good ecorche figure is definitely a serious investment... but if it's your career, you're gonna have to make investments into it. This is a reference tool too, for all your drawings. You can pose it, turn it, light it.. versus a 2D photo of something someone else chose stuck in the a situation they chose.
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    If you have the time, consider making your own ecorche out of supersculptey, wax, or oilclay.

    You'll learn quite a bit by making it.
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    Try L'Ecorché for the iPad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JesseM View Post
    I think it's kind of obvious that a three-dimensional figurine of a whole human figure would be more useful than a selection of 2D photos or drawings? They both have their uses, sure, and a good ecorche figure is definitely a serious investment... but if it's your career, you're gonna have to make investments into it. This is a reference tool too, for all your drawings. You can pose it, turn it, light it.. versus a 2D photo of something someone else chose stuck in the a situation they chose.
    Funny story though.
    It is only useful for exactly the pose you buy, and shows you only the outer layer of muscles...
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    bilginey: it depends on what you want to do with it. If you need some reference for just holding in your hand it should be large enough. But if you´d like to draw it from a distance like you do with cast drawing it is way too small since you need to step back from it.

    If you want to learn the names an positions of muscles an anatomical atlas would suit your needs better.

    But don´t forget: a live model teaches you a lot too. If you pay a model 10$/h you can get 20 hours of drawing time for 200$. I used to work as a nude model an got 13€ per hour which is 10$/h. If you have the space at home (or wherever you make your art) I´m sure you´ll find one or more students who would pose for you. In Germany all these expenses are tax deductible (mannequin and model)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque@xs4all.nl View Post
    It is only useful for exactly the pose you buy, and shows you only the outer layer of muscles...
    Did you look at the one I linked to? I like it precisely because it cuts into the form and reveals what's underneath. You can't truly pose the figure, no, but you can turn it, tilt it, and light it however you want. Furthermore, with removable limbs, you can take them off and try to pose them... but I agree, that is pushing it. Still, a three-dimensional reference from every angle imaginable, and you chose the lighting. That sounds much more inviting to me than a book with some premade pictures. There are times for both, definitely; I've got several anatomy books and I love them. Anatomy books have the advantage of text, where they can describe origins and inserts, function, and name muscles. They can also clearly show each system (ie, a drawing for just bones, a drawing for just muscles) and not have to balance overlap and sacrifice visibility sometimes like ecorches must. I'm not trying to belittle atlases! But an ecorche figure is where it all comes together--a little human you can hold in your hand, that may not name the muscle and describe its function but shows you how thick it is, how deep, how it fits into the human machine.
    If you think books are enough for you that's fine. But to me, it's the difference of drawing from photo and drawing from life.


    Re: Making an erorche figure is incredible practice. I've seen ads for ecorche workshops floating around the internet before... not cheap, but you walk away with no only a greater understanding of anatomy but a permanent reference tool.
    I would just be worried, if I made one on my own, that'd it be inaccurate. And then I'd reference it and screw up my drawings later...

    Leonor - there's an app for that? Seriously?
    Why don't I own an iPad already...
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    A friend gave me advice on building my own. I'm shopping around for a plastic skeleton atm, and plan to do it over the summer. But there are ateliers and other places that give ecorche classes. I'd do that if it was an affordable option for me.
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    I'm a wood carver. I'll use it, as JesseM said how thick musle is or how deep to understand. And yes, hold it in my hand or step away from it for carving reference. I think I'll go with Houdon (price + easy to understand muscles rather than anatomical male figure V1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JesseM View Post

    Leonor - there's an app for that? Seriously?
    Why don't I own an iPad already...
    Yes, it was a kickstarter project. They have a lite version out but waiting for completion of the full version.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...my-for-artists

    It will come out for android sometime later as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Yes, it was a kickstarter project. They have a lite version out but waiting for completion of the full version.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...my-for-artists

    It will come out for android sometime later as well.
    On a somewhat related note, I read in the latest ish of imagineFX that they created an actual analog brush for the iPad, also funded through Kickstarter. Sounded pretty neat.

    Apparently still not the same as real painting though, since you don't have the natural resistance you get with a regular canvas and paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque@xs4all.nl View Post
    It is only useful for exactly the pose you buy, and shows you only the outer layer of muscles...
    Obviously you've never tried sculpting.
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