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    20 hours - How big is this composition? How big is each section? Just wondering.

    Also, at the end, it'll be even more confusing than it is now - I understand what you're doing, since when something is "finished", that sometimes helps determine tweaks we need to make. Either way, I can tell you that Mario and Toad will need to be darkened - and stop using blending tools. The end result of anyone's work who uses tortillians and paper stumps will only come out dingy and dirty every time. Many folks think that using these is a magic wand to making your work look well blended and really nice, when in reality, that's far from what actually happens. Or at least that's my opinion.

    I'm also wondering if an earthquake would cause a river to dry up, especially from the middle, when the fault line is clearly to the left. Plus, do you have a horizon line established?

    I'm asking questions and trying to give you some crits, since I don't think the idea is being communicated very clearly. Please don't take my words as harsh, soul-less criticism - I can tell you're serious about drawing both by the work you're doing and the fact that you've invested time in it. I want to see you improve, so I'm just trying to give you food for thought.
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    Thanks hitnrun very good crits and things to think about, i have also considered it aswell. As for the tip on the blending stumps and such i'll keep that in mind and practice without them. But my stuff i have that i used without stumps don't look as good as with them.

    The whole drying up the way it did is a highly exaggerated concept that can't possibly happen in real life. I have already thought of ways to do something like this better and things i might do when i finish. If people don't understand the concept then i know for a fact i can't do these type of exaggerations and i wont do them again, (or at least I'll show a reasonable transition into the exaggeration).

    I have just started taking things seariously these past 2 - 3 years and 2 of those years i didn't even draw or produce or sketch. So i am a very young artist with a lot of learning ahead of him. I appreciate the comments and also appreciate the understanding of how people can be emotional with things they enjoy.

    As for the reasoning behind the 20 hours. I spent more time looking at my pictures from short and far distances then i do actually drawing.

    EDIT: Also i plan to type a rather detailed description of what i tried to accomplish and the various things i feel could be better and many other details when i have finished the piece. But if you have things to say as i go along its more then helpful. The reason i posted here is because it says (Critique & W.I.P Showcase). Mostly the W.I.P Showcase part, i dont expect highly detailed critiques other then commenting on my process and or things they might be able to pull out. So if you want you can save your opinions for when its finished or share them now. Either way is fine by me.
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    I would hold back on the darks until you've filled your page. You can always make an area darker later, when you can relate it to other parts of the image. Making your darks lighters is a bit more difficult.

    I would do some thumbnails of how you want the final image to be composed, and how you want your values distributed. You have a very specific environment in mind, so I would focus on readability. Your surrealist tendencies will no doubt show up even then, so I wouldn't worry about the image losing that quality.

    Here's a paintover as an example of how you might plan out your values. Simplify. Try breaking things down into 4 values. Do this to your current image, and you'll see that things are pretty jumbled.

    Mario WIP

    Also, here's a work by Hisaharu Motoda, as inspiration and reference.

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    @Grunler I am in complete agreement right now with you about the thumbnails and sketches. I have also came to a conclusion to do so. Simply because i have so much space to fill with very little idea of what i want in that space. I thought my brain would get clicking as i worked like it usually does but this time it doesn't. I still don't have an idea of what i want in the sky exactly but i do have some clues in mind.

    So i'll get to working on these sketches real quick. As for the surrealism part i am trying my hardest to not really manipulate too much of the world!

    Thanks for showing me Hisaharu Motoda's stuff, it really is interesting seeing how he draws that city and i really does help me think of ideas and such.
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    Here is a composition sketch without values/shadows. I am going to work on the clouds alittle more then i'll upload the values version of it afterwards.

    The right side (grass = long untamed), the left side (grass = short and tamed)

    Left side is pretty much just grass.
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    Now this is with basic values.

    I understand the high importance of a thumbnail now. I have never worked this large on a piece so this thumbnail was much easier to invision my direction and plan for it.
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    Update, i was up till 4 am drawing this grass.....
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    update

    Time to push some darks here and there, and make the grass more "lively"

    Also the water still needs a lot of work
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    Oh! That's water?! Honestly, I didn't know what I was looking at. You see the thumbnail I drew? That was my best guess at what I was looking at, with the help of your description.

    When you do thumbnails, try making them much smaller and even less detailed. Maybe 3"x4". You should do lots of variations on the same idea, just to see if there isn't a better composition than what you first thought of. If the composition reads at 3"x4", you should be set for 18"x24".

    If you're not going towards surrealism intentionally, then you really need to invest a lot of time in the fundamentals. The landscape simply doesn't look like it's receding into space. Even fields, forests, and oceans can be broken down into geometry that conforms to perspective. Besides that there is absolutely no atmospheric perspective, and things remain just as sharp and focused in the foreground as in the background. Every section of the landscape (water, shore, forest, rocky-area) is also segregated by a dark outline, which flattens things out even further. You're also not looking at any reference for what you're drawing. If you're drawing a tree, looks at trees. If you're drawing clouds, look at clouds. Even cartoons are abstracted from life. If you don't understand what you're drawing, the viewer isn't going to get it either.

    Learn one, two, and three-point perspective. Do more still life drawings (from life). Do more landscape drawings (from life). When you do, concentrate on a.)Proportion, and b.)Perceiving your subjects as objects in three dimensional space. Forget about detail. In fact, I wouldn't even touch value. Try doing so in just line.
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    Those are things to note down, but honestly. I cannot see what you see no matter how hard i try to force myself. Would you please red line and divide the sections that confuse you the most?

    I have been working on this too long to see something other then what i intend to see / see now.

    As to thumbnails. If my project is very large, why make a very small thumbnail? its like impossible to fit everything.

    Thanks for the time and crits aswell.


    EDIT: This is supposed to be alittle surrealistic, its a drawing of mario / toad standing on top of a cliff. Looking down at an extended scenerary that is split in half by a fissure or highly exagerated earthquate that reaches infinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PMMurphy View Post
    As to thumbnails. If my project is very large, why make a very small thumbnail? its like impossible to fit everything.
    The main points are clarity and expandability. If you can convey your main idea (the basic shapes of the characters and environment and value areas) as a small and non-detailed version, then you won't have as much clarity problems in large size too, and your image won't become a jumbled mess even when looked from afar/in smaller size, and when your thumbs are small with few details, you need less time to do them, which means you spend less time and effort (and you're less attached to them) while exploring different compositions, versions, so on.
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    Well the concept behind this particular composition is the only thing you can really tell from a distance is mario/toad. That is because i want the individual to look at it be like. Oh hey i know those characters (walk up) then the closer they get the more details are being shown and the more particular it gets.

    Just an idea, probably not a good one though.

    Edit: The thumbnail i posted here is also 1/4th the size of the project. Why should i make a thumbnail that is 1/16th or 1/32nd etc etc etc. Doesn't make sense to me.
    Last edited by PMMurphy; July 5th, 2012 at 05:33 PM. Reason: forgot something
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    update
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