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    Thanks for replying people, good stuff. Well, time for me to do what I should have started ten years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineris View Post
    Also, using this method in Photoshop without further adjustments gives you really dull-looking work.
    Why does that happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice Herring View Post
    Why does that happen?
    Serious Question?

    I mean for one, people don't pick the right color/saturation to begin with. While I'm aware that higher value = closer to white in RGB and higher value closer to Black in traditional pigments - in the case I'm talking about it's more from a traditional standpoint when I say "adding value".

    They pick a color that has a value to it already and end up placing more value on top of value. They'll use the wrong layer mode or realize their values aren't exactly the value they need when applying color.

    It's not like monochrome accounts for color temps and chroma found in hues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice Herring View Post
    Why does that happen?
    Y'know I never thought about it. The effect is quite desaturated, though, even if you use an eye-searingly bright colour to overpaint with. Looking at it now, it says that the "Overlay" mode uses a combination of Multiply and Screen, and I know both those modes don't shift the colours "right" as you go lighter and darker. (Don't use Multiply as a shading method, kids.)

    As for "Color" mode, it applies the hue and saturation of the I think Arshes' explanation about not accounting for the appearance of individual colours is probably the right one. Like if you take yellow in Photoshop and shift the value around without changing the colour temperature (hue in PS), you end up in puke khaki territory pretty quickly, while if you were doing it by hand you'd naturally shift more to orange or green as you played with the temperature in the shadows.

    You can use a combination of blending modes to get some nice results, though. But for a beginner, following a tutorial like that is like waving a dead chicken. If it works they don't know why and if it doesn't they don't know how to fix it.

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    There is more negative than positive to assist you in succeeding in your art work, but like everyone else has been saying and more, all you need to do is remember the three P's; Practice, Practice, Practice, and if that isn't enough, practice, practice, practice some more.

    Good luck with your experience as I'm also sometime in the rut, but just doing the work will get you out of the rut in no time at all!

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    Well color has its own value. I remember posting this sample from http://www.huevaluechroma.com

    http://www.huevaluechroma.com/pics/9-3.png
    I think I've just about lost it....

    Do you see your colors that way in greyscale? I can tell you 9 times out of 10 most (people) may not, and depending on the mode they work in like if they're not working in LAB mode in PS they'll have to do some kind of shifting. If you're picking color more in center of whatever color picker you're and less along the edges you're going to start muddying your colors.

    I guess if I could put it like this (and again I'm not talking RGB where higher value = white)

    Let's say in greyscale you used a value of 2. You then want to work in color but picked a red that has a value of 2 as well. You now got it more closer to value of 4 because you added more value. If this makes sense. This happens especially if you put it in the wrong layer mode.

    Setting your layer mode to Color would probably be a more accurate mode to use with this technique. However, with some colors you may realize that's not actually the value you meant to go for. So some adjusting is still necessary.

    If it were that simple, Colorized Classics should be looking hella good

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    Study and Practice

    I'm 23 years old and my stuff still look beginner but I still keep getting up and trying but if you want more encourgement then click this link

    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244375

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