# Thread: Critique these! UPDATED-19/8/12 (Scroll down to bottom)

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Thanks a lot Stryno!

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Okey Woofy,
as I said, the last drawing is much, much better than the previous ones and I'm certain that is something that you can see as well. Now, lets discuss perspective.

Snowgoyless mentioned before that the river in image 2 looks like its flowing upwards and the latest image kind of suffers from the same problem, the reason why it looks like that is, at least in part, due to a problem with perspective. Now, if you look at a person at a distance, they will appear as smaller than if they where close, and since rivers are rather long things they seem smaller as they stretch away.

Now, the problem here is that the rivers you draw the extend into the image does not become smaller at the degree it should and as our brains tries to make sense of the image it is seeing it guesses that the river flows upwards or, in my case, that the river is situated a bit above ground.

The shorthand way (unless you use a reference) to solve this is to use what is called a vanishing point, which is a point where, when in perspective, two parallel lines converge.

Now, here is what your last drawing looks like with perspective lines:

As you can see its a lot of perspective lines that ends up in places where there are no other perspective lines. And while drawings very often have more than one vanishing point, for now lets just focus on one.

Your mission Woofy, should you choose to accept it, is to draw another image, but this time, draw a horizon first and then put out a vanishing point and after all that, draw the image and mind the perspective.

Now, this is a tricky subject, very tricky, so don't expect to get it right the first time (and its a lot of other details that I have not yet mentioned), but bear with me and try and if you have any questions this thread or my pm is open

You also have a dark line along the right side of the river in the image Snowgoyless talked about, this makes it look like it casts a shadow, and thus is above the ground level, something you want to try out for yourself I think, try to draw a dark line running down the left side of the horizon line river image you did and see the result, it should be quite startling. I will talk more about shadows later.
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Wow! I just shaped the river exactly how you stated and it looks way better! Thanks so much man! Now that I have done that I need to reshape the mountains. Anyways, I will be sure to do that assignment and post it up here. I thought you have forgotten about this thread for a moment and got excited when I saw this post back up in the top of the forum list with your reply

Cheers man!

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No problem,
yeah, sorry about the wait, we had a last minute problem at my job so I had to do a lot of overtime yesterday and the day before

Good that your making progress, try to put something up now

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Hmm, perhaps people would be interested in me doing a tutorial series on technical perspective and shadow construction?

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That would be awesome ^

Not sure if I like this one, too much light, I was trying to light it from the front.
Here it is as well as the fixed version of the previous one:

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Here is an update! All these were done within 20 minutes each with a few minutes refinement afterwards (reflections and clouds). Dunno what my obsession with rivers is?

Cheers! And please critique! I need it!!

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## Update - 19.8.12

Been a long time since I painted a landscape, so here is one I did last night, took a few hours, please critique it hard!

Cheers!
Last edited by WoofyDesigns; August 19th, 2012 at 12:50 AM.

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