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    e3 2012 rumors and gossip

    I just found out e3 is next week. There have been heavy rumors about next generation consoles in development. It's kind of hard for me to imagine what the games could look like. Since the graphics keep getting better in the currently existing consoles. The biggest limitation appears to be labor, budget and time as far as I know.
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    PS4 and XBox3 are in development, but won't be at this year's E3. But if you want to know what they will look like, just look at high end PCs right now (this is the best we can hope for). Console manufacturing can't afford to keep up with PCs anymore.

    Personally I think console games already look incredible, so any improvements next gen are just icing on the cake for me. That's why I'm most excited for Wii U, at least as far as E3 goes. It's only expected to be slightly more powerful than PS3, but that's good enough for me and I can't wait to see which franchises Nintendo brings to HD. Also really want to know what Retro is working on... can only imagine what a Metroid Prime game with Uncharted 3 level visuals would be like!

    Oh, and Sony is in the process of acquiring a cloud service, which they are expected to announce. So that could be big, though I have my doubts about streaming games.
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    I'm really curious about the WiiU. There are so many different rumors about the specs that it's hard to know what to believe. Personally I do really hope Nintendo puts out quite a powerful console. Mostly from a marketing standpoint it would be really beneficial for them if they had a console that could handle all the multiplatform games that come out for other consoles.

    Also really want to know what Retro is working on... can only imagine what a Metroid Prime game with Uncharted 3 level visuals would be like!
    Let's just hope the "Metroid+Starfox teamup" rumor isn't true :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobbA View Post
    Let's just hope the "Metroid+Starfox teamup" rumor isn't true :/
    It's not. The guy who started it withdrew that rumor. Thank god.

    I'd put money on Wii U's graphics being just slightly better than PS360. If PS360 is Dreamcast, WiiU is PS2, something like that.
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    My understanding is that the next gen of consoles will be less about "even better graphics/sound" and more about the capacity for handling new, innovative multiplayer experiences. Like, creating a system that can handle the breakdown of the wall between single player and multiplayer experiences. At least that's a bit of what I'm hearing.
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    I'm hoping the id tech 5 engine gets more play. Sure it loads sloppy as shit and takes two disks to deliver half a game, but it looks so good it's worth it. I'm pretty sure the wii u will have the horsepower to pick up the slack.
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    if its already hard to keep up with so much time and capital needed for current gen graphics whats next?

    Sony and microsoft are just making Nintendo´s life easier if they keep up with that kind of mindset, they are basically tightening a rope around their own necks and competing to see who chokes and dies first. And is not like competitors haven´t already played the Specs card with Nintendo and lost every time.

    I think the bigger studios should start thinking more outside of the box for the next gen, i thinks is either being creative or hit a wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDSart View Post
    Sony and microsoft are just making Nintendo´s life easier if they keep up with that kind of mindset, they are basically tightening a rope around their own necks and competing to see who chokes and dies first. And is not like competitors haven´t already played the Specs card with Nintendo and lost every time.
    Not to mention, the last two generations (3 if you count handhelds), the weakest systems have sold dramatically better. PS2, DS and Wii are the best selling systems of all time, and are all much weaker than their competition.
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    I don't mind if microsoft and sony take the time to do it right. Sure nintendo has the jump, but the dreamcast pulled the same move and you know how that turned out. In the end it's all about the games and the wii is moving on because nobody is developing decent wii titles.

    I just hope the speculation of eliminating used and rented games is also false. Because all of my games are either used, traded or borrowed. I'm not going to spend 60 bucks on a video game if I can't trade or sell it back. Some times I'll buy a game play it and return it because I don't like it, which makes me more confident to take a chance on a game I would think twice about.
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    I buy maybe one new full price game a year. I do think that if any of the companies drop used support, the companies that decides to keep used games support will have a huge edge, so I'm not too worried about that. What I am worried about is how companies will find new ways to nickle and dime... for example nowadays if you buy a used game you often have to pay 10 bucks for a code to play it online.
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    It's going that way already IMO. Look at how there are no differences between a digital download of a game vs buying a physical disc copy with a fancy box on your shelf.

    I don't mind companies making money, that's good business....but if the money is not spread to the creative talent that works on the game and just provides more padding for investors and CEOs getting bonuses...then ugh.

    I also have a hard time justifying the prices for these 60 dollar games, but I make the choice not to buy a lot of games and stick with older ones. I had bought a PS2 a couple years ago because finally 50 bucks for a system, I can get a lot of the older games (and not have to hear all the hype and spoilers) for five bucks or less while 20 is my max... (Unless it's Madden which sits in the 99 cent rack and floods the market of used games D: )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    There have been heavy rumors about next generation consoles in development. It's kind of hard for me to imagine what the games could look like. Since the graphics keep getting better in the currently existing consoles.
    I'm pretty sure that neither Sony nor Microsoft is going to show any new consoles this year, but Epic is going to be demoing their next-gen Unreal Engine 4 at the show. Wired dropped a few images and tidbits about that in their recent issue (that article is viewable HERE), and I'm really excited to see it in motion.

    I'm also most exited to hear more about the finalized Wii U hardware and see what Nintendo has been cooking up for it (especially Retro Studios). Valve is my other favourite developer and they already said that they don't intend to announce anything new at the show. Slightly disappointing, but not exactly surprising.


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    if its already hard to keep up with so much time and capital needed for current gen graphics whats next?
    Maybe I'm wrong (I'm not exactly part of the industry), but I don't think the generational jump will be as expensive for software developers as a lot of people seem to believe. Not initially, anyway. A game of current-gen or slightly better quality would be cheaper to develop on a next-gen system because less time and effort would have to go into optimization. If you simply compress the textures and models less, you get better graphics with no additional effort. Sure, things may slowly get more expensive to accommodate for more effects and fancy simulations as the generation goes on, but the tools will advance as well and I don't think anyone is going to try and make a game that they know they won't be able to afford. Especially with all of the recent indie successes proving that a game doesn't have to be expensive to sell well.
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    Last time around doom 3 was the first sign of "next gen" It required $500 in upgrades and it is completely sub-par now.

    There was also half life 2
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