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    pretty nice work so far guys but it honestly feels to me like most of the designs are way too simple to be classified as a King. There are some that look like king but not king of hell and some that look like hell demons but not really kings. King is like the main guy so he should be epic and also portray intelligence - afterall he needs to keep everything together and keeping hell creatures in line is not an easy task considering how dire they are. Yeah i guess wht im trying to say is that there are a lot of good designs and rendering so far but they all dont look boss enough, they look like demons and generals not Kings.

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    emerging, I think you nailed something important here. I don't think I managed to do good at all, maybe I should scrap this current wip and think more along those lines stated by you.
    Hmmm...
    I'll just post this next stage of my wip and be glad I feel like this work is a reflection of my personal improvement and is of course a bunch of fun.


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    @emerging True enough, but there's also the brief wich says to make something that is not your typical devil. We're just trying to defy expectations

    But yeah, might be interesting to see the king commanding his minions and being boss at least. Now if there was only more hours in a day...

    @Kerah I like your design. A mad king he might be, but he's still king. Maybe if you put lots of lost souls under his boot, he'd seem more lordly?

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    Emerging: You raise some valid points but they're mostly based on your view of what hell, kings and demons should be. It would be perfectly acceptable to say that the king of hell is merely just the strongest, vile and most feral of them all and that his right to the throne has been taken by brute force or just outgrossing everyone else, no intelligence whatsoever. Or that since they are constantly at war with heaven their king ought to be a wargeneral of some sorts, always in the frontlines thirsting for angel blood. Just saying

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    @Pixeltuner Or that he inherited the throne, is unfit to be king and is going to lose it iminently. It depends on the story you want to tell. Of course we still need to somehow tell that story with the image. I think the problems we are having is more to do with being asked to take out the cliches but not having anything to replace them with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixeltuner View Post
    Emerging: You raise some valid points but they're mostly based on your view of what hell, kings and demons should be. It would be perfectly acceptable to say that the king of hell is merely just the strongest, vile and most feral of them all and that his right to the throne has been taken by brute force or just outgrossing everyone else, no intelligence whatsoever. Or that since they are constantly at war with heaven their king ought to be a wargeneral of some sorts, always in the frontlines thirsting for angel blood. Just saying
    not really my view of hell, more of visual and conceptual definition of King. Im just saying what i feel when looking at the concepts here. Whether my view is biased on certain images and concepts of hell and devil I was fed throughout my life makes no difference as we all are raised that way and nobody in modern society is detached from that. When i look at a picture without description i want to be able to tell what it is. When I see a demon that looks like a regular demon and not a king it is not my fault, it is my subconscious reaction to it. I dont think it's very beneficial for any artist to brand their paintings with titles that dont come across in the image.

    I know what you mean about trying to get away from a regular perception of what the master of all evil would look like. But you can do so successfully without sacrificing his/her status that should come across in the concept. Afterall, the design assignment is King and not just a demon soldier or general or Death. Wouln't you agree?

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    Meh there's no one to really answer to here so you can go whichever way you want.

    Do you really need intelligence to govern eternal torture
    but then again you could say there's some kinda resource management and turnover involved in which case the king might be a numbercruncher/beaurocrat or a clueless dipshit with an overblown ego... filling in the gaps can justify any design.

    Anyway here's mine with no hooves, no horns, no wings, no red skin (eventually), no pitchfork and no goatee

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    Quote Originally Posted by emerging View Post
    Afterall, the design assignment is King and not just a demon soldier or general or Death. Wouln't you agree?
    Sure. That's what all the elaborate headgear is about after all

    So if I'm getting you right we should be doing better research on kings rather than demons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emerging View Post
    not really my view of hell, more of visual and conceptual definition of King. Im just saying what i feel when looking at the concepts here. Whether my view is biased on certain images and concepts of hell and devil I was fed throughout my life makes no difference as we all are raised that way and nobody in modern society is detached from that. When i look at a picture without description i want to be able to tell what it is. When I see a demon that looks like a regular demon and not a king it is not my fault, it is my subconscious reaction to it. I dont think it's very beneficial for any artist to brand their paintings with titles that dont come across in the image.

    I know what you mean about trying to get away from a regular perception of what the master of all evil would look like. But you can do so successfully without sacrificing his/her status that should come across in the concept. Afterall, the design assignment is King and not just a demon soldier or general or Death. Wouln't you agree?
    Like I said, you raised some valid points But (again) like I said, there are multiple ways to interpret what a king should be and act like and in because of context: look like. And therein lies the challenge of course. How to stray from the beaten bath of cliche's and present something that's fresh but also readable as king. A lot of these images could be justified by providing the right context (ie: lesser demons, generals or whatever to contrast the king) a thing which we unfortunately don't have time for so at first glance things might not be obvious. Maybe I'm too easy on everyone thinking that they thought everything through, I don't know (probably am)

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    Hey guys,awesome entries so far!!
    Here is my King,just a hazy sketch,he's still missing the crown and most of the major details,but I'm getting there...

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    Progressed a bit more, i'll expand the canvas and finish and the legs and arms, then its the rocks, and last the background maybe, hope you like it so far.

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    Here is mine so far. I'm not sure if he's bossy enough though :/ Also not sure if he should hold something in his right hand aswell. What do you guys think?



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    pfffft;doodling to get ideas, hope by putting something up i'll be more likely to finish something in time, i'm gunna have to change angle as you cant really see 3/4 at this point in time but i got some ideas. Good work all some sick ideas so far, I agree with emerging on the subject of class; i see a lot of really cool warriors and deamons but not many dictators. (looking at my post again i realize that mine doesn't look like a king either lol).

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    @Obstfelder : you're right, I was hesitant to add a background element as I still have some trouble fitting character and environment in a cohesive way, but I guess tackling the problem is the only way to solve it. I added a background, which, as cliché as it may be, I kinda like it.

    @Emerging : I agree with about half of your argument, and half with pixetuner's. There are several different portrayals of what a king is/should be depending on your belief(and there are far too many beliefs out there) Being Peruvian, let me tell you that at least in our andean folklore, the kings and leaders of the demons are not a lot more intelligent that your average human himself, but it's the witch doctors who summon them and use their powers for evildoing, yet the demonic hierarchy is ruled by who is more powerful, not intelligence. Most often, its the human that outwits the demonic entities.

    @Mythril_Golem : I.....think you nailed it dude. What you have done, is an evil, twisted, monstrous motherfucking entity. It reads well that this thing has not a drop of compassion within his heart(or lack thereof), hence being pure evil. Nice!

    Most religions portray the devil as a smart trickster or a superb leader, as I have just layed an example, the minorities should also count



    here's my slow progress. I was buisy last night and I just got home a while ago, so I tried my best at sketching up this background quickly, although i'll take my time to refine both the character and the background a bit until sunday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyMan View Post
    @Obstfelder : you're right, I was hesitant to add a background element as I still have some trouble fitting character and environment in a cohesive way, but I guess tackling the problem is the only way to solve it. I added a background, which, as cliché as it may be, I kinda like it.

    @Emerging : I agree with about half of your argument, and half with pixetuner's. There are several different portrayals of what a king is/should be depending on your belief(and there are far too many beliefs out there) Being Peruvian, let me tell you that at least in our andean folklore, the kings and leaders of the demons are not a lot more intelligent that your average human himself, but it's the witch doctors who summon them and use their powers for evildoing, yet the demonic hierarchy is ruled by who is more powerful, not intelligence. Most often, its the human that outwits the demonic entities.

    @Mythril_Golem : I.....think you nailed it dude. What you have done, is an evil, twisted, monstrous motherfucking entity. It reads well that this thing has not a drop of compassion within his heart(or lack thereof), hence being pure evil. Nice!

    Most religions portray the devil as a smart trickster or a superb leader, as I have just layed an example, the minorities should also count



    here's my slow progress. I was buisy last night and I just got home a while ago, so I tried my best at sketching up this background quickly, although i'll take my time to refine both the character and the background a bit until sunday!
    ohh dont get me wrong guys, i didnt mean that it has to look intelligent in 100% of the time. I was giving that as an example of one way of thinking about how to portray it as a King rather than just a creep or a common demon

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    ohh dont get me wrong guys, i didnt mean that it has to look intelligent in 100% of the time. I was giving that as an example of one way of thinking about how to portray it as a King rather than just a creep or a common demon
    Hey, no problem, sometime's its hard to convey tone through merely written words, but I know you were giving positive general advice. That's why I said I agree with half the your argument, seeing that my own design relfects the fact that there's still a myriad of thing missing to really make it look like a ''king'' XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by emerging View Post
    ohh dont get me wrong guys, i didnt mean that it has to look intelligent in 100% of the time. I was giving that as an example of one way of thinking about how to portray it as a King rather than just a creep or a common demon
    It's the ritual and context that make kings seem larger than life, right? So if I want to show the king of Hell I can use some of those ritualistic trappings. That's why the crown is important.

    But a good strong leader would be portrayed like you say: Imidiately recognizable as a powerfull leader. But a terrible leader would make a mockery out of it, and I imagine the king of Hell to be the worst kind of leader there is.

    Of course I've used deities like Shiva as basis for my image and not a human king, so he might be more of an evil religous leader in Hell

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    This will be the last set of guestures for this guy. I wish I could keep better track of when this starts! XD Oh well, better now than never. On to sketch phase!

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    seven blue screens later... is the fire too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incinerated View Post
    this will be awesome

    EDIT: I left a wiki link in the theme suggestions thread, may be nice for inspiration, so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_theological_demons
    And thank you for posting this entry, effectively sucking up an hour of my life with the irresistible call of Wikipedia.

    Unfortunately will be out of computer contact most of the week so tragically I'll miss out on this excellent topic. More unfortunately, I didn't figure this out until I'd already done all my sketches and preliminary designs. Noooo, its like my King of Hell is stillborn! On the bright side, man is there a good turn out of talent this week!

    @Hoa-Nam
    The concept right now isn't really grabbing with with "demon king", more "giant robot". The geometric shapes, while interesting, speak to something more rocky or metallic. Maybe try introducing some more organic shapes into it, some fluid lines or spikes or something? Organic shapes mate, try some.

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    Fantastic, I'm really glad you've chosen the design route you did. Maybe integrating the ravens into the rest of the body with some textures in the skin or some feathers would really push it to the next level?

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    But of course we know! The Stones are the true kings! I like the direction yours is going with the modern feel but the crop of the image seems really constraining. You could make him look damn imposing my making him sitting on the other side of some epic wide desk surrounded by the finely-shaking booties of his Hell maidens. Just a thought!

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    The rendering and pose are nice but the character design isn't screaming "monarch of Hell" more than "that Planeswalker chick from MTG". I know the brief said to eschew the traditional "devil" imagery like horns, etc, but right now I'm not getting "demon" at all from this. Maybe give her scales or something?

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    Agreed, needs more bossiness.

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    thanks y'all! I'm not sure how much I'd stick to my stylization for further rounds/weeks, but this was hella fun.

    My wippy wippy king. Also emerging brings up nice points and so does pixeltuner. The beauty of these weeks is the open-endedness and we choose to extrapolate and emphasize more. A kingly demon or a demonic king really, and both of those phrases emphasize a different aspect so when it boils down to it, regardless, we're all fulfilling the criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incinerated View Post
    Another hour gone nooooooooooooooo...!!!

    Seriously though Inferno is a favorite of mine, hence I am so epically bummed about sitting out this week.

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    I like the dramatic pose and the movement of the piece, but what are those things behind your King? Defining that a bit more will help draw the character design together because right now its a little unspecific.

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    What an awesome topic. Truly imaginative.
    Emerging: Boy, you've had your hands full with that comment way back haven't you? Hehe, that's what you get for being smart old buddy. I completely agree with you, and the people that are arguing the fact. In fact, I'm looking forward to both interpretations of this topic. It's an opportunity for a great range of possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emerging View Post
    pretty nice work so far guys but it honestly feels to me like most of the designs are way too simple to be classified as a King. There are some that look like king but not king of hell and some that look like hell demons but not really kings. King is like the main guy so he should be epic and also portray intelligence - afterall he needs to keep everything together and keeping hell creatures in line is not an easy task considering how dire they are. Yeah i guess wht im trying to say is that there are a lot of good designs and rendering so far but they all dont look boss enough, they look like demons and generals not Kings.
    This may have been pointed out but I suppose the foregoing is a matter of opinion. I believe a true lord of the underworld needs no ostentation. True power needs no brandishing. I've always felt the most potent evil is also the most subtle. So there.

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