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    Modern Women vs Traditional Women: Relationships and Workplace

    Hello Everyone!

    I'm doing a project and I'm also curious of this subject.
    I just need a few questions answered and you reasoning for your answers.

    Do you think its a contradiction to have men treat women in a traditional manner, while women don't have to be traditional anymore?


    For Men: Do you prefer traditional women over modern women?
    How do you treat women at work?
    How do you feel about women in the workplace? Do you like it? Do you respect them or do you just see them as something to look at?
    How does a woman working affection your relationship?


    For Women: Do you like the idea of a being a traditional woman(housewife) or are you complacent with being in the workforce and having equal rights as men.
    Do you think your truly equal?
    How does work influence your role as a woman and as a wife?
    If men "traditionally" were suppose to pay bills and act as a supporter how does that influence your relationship now?


    It would be great to get some responses from everyone!
    Thanks!

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    For Men: Do you prefer traditional women over modern women? Define traditional vs modern.
    How do you treat women at work? The same way I treat anyone: respectfully.
    How do you feel about women in the workplace? Do you like it? Do you respect them or do you just see them as something to look at? Women are in the workplace for the same reason men are in the workplace. To work.
    How does a woman working affection your relationship? This question needs to be rephrased.

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    For Women: Do you like the idea of a being a traditional woman(housewife) or are you complacent with being in the workforce and having equal rights as men.

    any woman should be allowed to do whatever she damn well pleases. if she wants to be a housewife, that's fine, it's her choice. if she wants to have an office-based career, that's fine, it's her choice. if she wants to be a nurse, that's fine, it's her choice. if she wants to work on a construction site, that's fine, it's her choice.

    your question is oddly phrased. do you mean to imply that a housewife should not have equal rights as men? why is the word "complacent" used?




    Do you think your truly equal?
    women are equal to men. however, society largely treats women as second-class citizens at best and cattle at worst. it is paramount that this be changed in the future. hell, it is paramount that everyone be treated equally in the future.



    How does work influence your role as a woman and as a wife?
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    If men "traditionally" were suppose to pay bills and act as a supporter how does that influence your relationship now?
    i'm not sure what you're asking here.


    Do you think its a contradiction to have men treat women in a traditional manner, while women don't have to be traditional anymore?

    of course it is. treat a person the way they want to be treated. if a woman does not want to have children, or if she wants to work a traditionally male job, you have absolutely no right to tell her otherwise or deride her for her choice.

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    yes, it absolutely is.
    I edited it to "overt" instead. Since it's still pervasive, but everyone knows it's a no-no. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, but I think most sexists I've encountered don't even KNOW they are sexist. They think they are progressive and instead end up being patronizing. That's just my experience, though.

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    "women are equal to men. however, society largely treats women as second-class citizens at best and cattle at worst. it is paramount that this be changed in the future. hell, it is paramount that everyone be treated equally in the future."

    in 2150 when people can and do change sex whenever they please, sexual inequality will seem as obsoletely barbaric as slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    in 2150 when people can and do change sex whenever they please, sexual inequality will seem as obsoletely barbaric as slavery.
    Just wondering, have you read Donna Haraway's Cyborg Manifesto? It's a bit dated now, but still I think you might find it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vritra View Post
    Just wondering, have you read Donna Haraway's Cyborg Manifesto? It's a bit dated now, but still I think you might find it interesting.
    I hadnt! I have now. I have to admit I kind of read it like I would Coleridge or William Burroughs, understanding little but enjoying the imagery.
    What did you take from it?

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    Yeah, something about the word "complacent" is kind of offending me there.

    And would any male ever really answer "yes" to the question of whether a woman in the workplace was just there to be looked at? I don't think sexism like that is overt anymore. The remaining bits of sexism are more subtle and insidious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyKitten View Post
    And would any male ever really answer "yes" to the question of whether a woman in the workplace was just there to be looked at? I don't think sexism like that is pervasive anymore.
    yes, it absolutely is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyKitten View Post
    And would any male ever really answer "yes" to the question of whether a woman in the workplace was just there to be looked at?
    They might not say it out loud, but there are plenty of piggish guys who would think it. And of course there are plenty of decent guys who wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liffey View Post
    They might not say it out loud, but there are plenty of piggish guys who would think it. And of course there are plenty of decent guys who wouldn't.
    That was my point, Liffey. That you aren't going to get honest answers from most sexist people. Whether because they are in denial, or because they've learned those opinions aren't popular to express out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyKitten View Post
    And would any male ever really answer "yes" to the question of whether a woman in the workplace was just there to be looked at? I don't think sexism like that is overt anymore. The remaining bits of sexism are more subtle and insidious.
    I don't think anyone would answer yes to that question on a public forum with members of both genders like this one. Perhaps if it were an anonymous survey they would, but even then, the question is phrased in such a way that the survey is telling you this is a shitty thing to admit to. It's like asking "Are you kind of an asshole?" instead of "Do you sometimes purposefully perform actions that make other people unhappy?" The latter might actually encourage people to admit things they're not proud of whereas the former accuses the subject and alienates them.

    About the 'complacent' question, I think the problem there might be the writer doesn't actually know what that word means.. it doesn't seem to fit in that sentence at all.

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    Its for a school project for English.
    She just told me to ask questions comparing traditional woman and modern day women and how they were treated then and now.
    I made the questions. Sorry if there badly written my grade is slipping and this is a side project so i can graduate lol

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    I'm doing a project and I'm also curious of this subject.
    What kind of project? School project? What class/subject? Or are you just (not also) curious?
    "About," not "of."
    I just need a few questions answered and you reasoning for your answers.
    Ask, don't tell. You would like some questions answered, you don't need them (and even if you do, we don't need to answer them for you).
    "Your," not "you."
    Do you think its a contradiction to have men treat women in a traditional manner, while women don't have to be traditional anymore?
    As has already been pointed out, your entire enterprise is flawed because you aren't defining your terms. What exactly do you mean by "traditional" and "modern?"
    For Men: Do you prefer traditional women over modern women?
    How do you treat women at work?
    How do you feel about women in the workplace? Do you like it? Do you respect them or do you just see them as something to look at?
    How does a woman working affection your relationship?
    See above. Also, avoid setting up dichotomies if you want open answers. On the other hand, if you want people to choose, give more options.
    "Affect," not "affection."
    For Women: Do you like the idea of a being a traditional woman(housewife) or are you complacent with being in the workforce and having equal rights as men.
    Do you think your truly equal?
    How does work influence your role as a woman and as a wife?
    If men "traditionally" were suppose to pay bills and act as a supporter how does that influence your relationship now?
    At last, some clarification of "traditional."
    "Complacent": I don't think this word means what you think it means.
    "You're," not "your."

    All in all, so far, I give you a C-. Maybe a D.

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    Do you prefer traditional women over modern women?

    Personally I'm partial to traditional women. Digital women just aren't the same.

    How do you treat women at work?

    Usually I leave them alone. If they're working I don't want to bother them. Unless they're REALLY attractive in which case I'll distract the shit out of them. Usually they turn me down and say "Hey I'm working here, go away!"

    How do you feel about women in the workplace? Do you like it? Do you respect them or do you just see them as something to look at?

    They're good for looking at but better for samich making amirite?

    How does a woman working affection your relationship?

    What is language this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Kobryn View Post
    Do you prefer traditional women over modern women?

    Personally I'm partial to traditional women. Digital women just aren't the same.
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    Yeah, I am not really into virtual women either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLANLESS View Post
    Yeah, I am not really into virtual women either.
    Nahhh...You know the kind who has airplanes for hearts and harpsichords for kidneys. They just make such beautiful noises and the shapes of their biceps are so wonderful. Oh yeah, they're lovely on marriage ceremonies as well, much better with the hands than those schmuck traditional women.

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    "The gap between how much male and female managers are paid has widened by £500 to £10,546 in the past year, a study suggests.

    Female managers are now paid an average £31,895 per year, compared with £42,441 for men doing the same job, according to the Chartered Management Institute.

    Despite women's pay rising faster than men's, the CMI said it would take 98 years to gain parity at current rates."

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    Yeah...sorry, but thanks for the input!
    How should I reword it so it won't be offensive.
    It's due next monday so I just wanted to see what others would say.
    I also have to right an essay and do a presentation as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efesyric View Post
    Yeah...sorry, but thanks for the input!
    How should I reword it so it won't be offensive.
    It's due next monday so I just wanted to see what others would say.
    I also have to right an essay and do a presentation as well.
    Yeah, I think the top priority is to stop abusing the English language. Work on your grammar please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    got to about 2 mins in and couldn't watch anymore without feeling the need to punch my monitor..Jeeeesus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    See... This is what what guys turn into when they spend every waking minute trying to give themselves a bl*wj*b... It's called oxygen-deprivation brain damage.

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    Efesyric - it would help if we knew what your paper is about, IE what is your thesis, what are you trying to demonstrate and what are pivotal questions on this matter. Right now it`s like you walked in here and wrote "Yellow. Discuss."
    Give us some context.

    Also, you might want to make your questions sound a bit less "1950".
    And check your spelling.


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    I would like modern payment instead of traditional payment for my work. No, scratch that, I would like whatever payment women are getting in the distant future when we actually get equal pay for equal work.

    Which, last I checked, we still don't.

    Do you like the idea of a being a traditional woman(housewife) or are you complacent with being in the workforce and having equal rights as men. "Complacent"???? That's possibly the most unfortunate choice of wording I've ever seen... Not sure what you're trying to imply, but it doesn't sound remotely positive.

    Do you think your truly equal? Fuck yes? The fact that anyone even has to ask if women and men are "truly equal" in this day and age shows how screwed up this society still is... (On the other hand do I think we get equal treatment? Fuck no.)

    How does work influence your role as a woman and as a wife? Uh, work lets me eat and pay the rent? And what's this "wife" business anyway?

    If men "traditionally" were suppose to pay bills and act as a supporter how does that influence your relationship now? What relationship? And why do you assume there are men involved?

    D- for grammar and clarity, F for implied sexism in the questions and phrasing. Possibly unintended, but for goodness sake think these things through a little better... And PROOFREAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    I would like modern payment instead of traditional payment for my work. No, scratch that, I would like whatever payment women are getting in the distant future when we actually get equal pay for equal work.

    Which, last I checked, we still don't.

    Do you like the idea of a being a traditional woman(housewife) or are you complacent with being in the workforce and having equal rights as men. "Complacent"???? That's possibly the most unfortunate choice of wording I've ever seen... Not sure what you're trying to imply, but it doesn't sound remotely positive.

    Do you think your truly equal? Fuck yes? The fact that anyone even has to ask if women and men are "truly equal" in this day and age shows how screwed up this society still is... (On the other hand do I think we get equal treatment? Fuck no.)

    How does work influence your role as a woman and as a wife? Uh, work lets me eat and pay the rent? And what's this "wife" business anyway?

    If men "traditionally" were suppose to pay bills and act as a supporter how does that influence your relationship now? What relationship? And why do you assume there are men involved?

    D- for grammar and clarity, F for implied sexism in the questions and phrasing. Possibly unintended, but for goodness sake think these things through a little better... And PROOFREAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotime View Post
    One of the things he claims is that women at large are more likely to focus more on personal fulfillment, and men on the other hand tend to throw that away for the sake of money. That means longer hours, less peace of mind, higher physical risks, ect ect.
    Boy, does that sound like twaddle to me. It certainly runs counter to my personal experience, anyway. By and large, the women I've known have been far more inclined than the men I've known to put in more hours, take on more jobs, sacrifice more to get an education to get better jobs, and focus more on saving up/providing for their kids/providing for retirement/etc...

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    This is a very weird project for an english class. Sociology or psychology, sounds about right. But English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    This is a very weird project for an english class. Sociology or psychology, sounds about right. But English?
    Yup! English.
    The topic came from "Of Mice and Men" mainly Curley's wife. Since the story was set around the 1930's ( this was what my teacher said) women were still treated badly and she told me to do an assignment comparing traditional women which I'm assuming is women in that time period to women now.

    Now is any of this making sense to anybody?

    I'll be sure to work on my grammar as well! Thanks everyone!

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