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    Quote Originally Posted by squidmonk3j View Post
    "The ... video (on aesthetics) succeeds at ... conveying the difficulty of casually conveying the complexity of a philosophical issue (aesthetics) without relying on the context that is the history of philosophy. "
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    yep. which was why it was surprising when Kev seemed to say it (aesthetics) could be reduced to finite componants and grammar. Which was exactly what made me ask him about it in the first place.
    Firstly, your mind is lying to you about the order of events, because that isn't what began the row. It was your reaction to my analogy that the words used in aesthetic philosophy make logical sense together, and this logic was no more arbitrary than a physics equation. Go back and reread if you can't remember.

    Secondly, your reading comprehension is causing most of this...

    Here's what I actually wrote on page 3:

    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Art itself has a finite set of base components and ways of meaning when related through nonlinear grammar. Art is a language, it has long been said, and wisely.
    Art DOES NOT EQUATE WITH Aesthetics.

    How much more proof do you want that you have been the troll here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post

    "Have you ever heard a fully satisfying answer to "What is the meaning of life?"

    Yes. To add meaning to your life. Its not rocken science.

    Or is it?
    I say this without irony: If this works for you, fine.

    I say this with a little bit of sarcasm: Might I suggest, then, that you search for the answer to "What is Aesthetics?" in a dictionary?

    Further, is it acceptable to you that your answer (re the meaning of life) is a self-referential, thought-terminating cliché to me? I could use it myself, but only as a quick comeback or as a way of getting out of an unwanted conversation.

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    "Imagine a 15 minute youtube video about how black holes work without being allowed to rely on the audience's graps of basic math."

    Hang on so are we allowed to compare aesthetics to physics, or not?
    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    "The one thing I would say that video succeeds at, is conveying the difficulty of casually conveying the complexity of a philosophical issue without relying on the context that is the history of philosophy. "

    yep. which was why it was surprising when Kev seemed to say it could be reduced to finite componants and grammar. Which was exactly what made me ask him about it in the first place.
    I can't and won't speak on anybody's behalf. But, -everything- can be reduced to "finite components and grammar". That is the philosophical and etymological essence of analysis. But taking something apart and putting something (back) together (again) require two entirely different levels of understanding .

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidmonk3j View Post
    Have you ever heard a fully satisfying answer to "What is the meaning of life?"
    Yes. Forty-two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    Yes. Forty-two.

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    "Remember when this thread was about some Romanian douchebag?"

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    What I would like to gain from this discussion is a way to streamline my art creation process. From what I've read here, it sounds like having a deeper understanding of aesthetic theory could provide a valuable tool for composing my art.
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    Be careful. I do not think this is necessarily true and in fact can be a pitfall.

    One of the most brilliant men and painters I ever knew, a colleague, was seriously stalled in his painting because of his mind. When he simply painted and object, still life etc., he was possibly the most intuitive gifted painter I knew. The problem came when he tried to link his brilliant mind with his paint. He over thought, over analyzed, until he produced constipated convoluted messes, when he finished a painting at all.

    Knowledge is a wonderful thing but understanding knowledge is wisdom. I think kev actually said it earlier that the study and academic understanding of aesthetics is a discipline requiring a lot of time and effort. I'm not sure of the value it has when it comes to streamlining the process of making a picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    Be careful. I do not think this is necessarily true and in fact can be a pitfall.

    One of the most brilliant men and painters I ever knew, a colleague, was seriously stalled in his painting because of his mind. When he simply painted and object, still life etc., he was possibly the most intuitive gifted painter I knew. The problem came when he tried to link his brilliant mind with his paint. He over thought, over analyzed, until he produced constipated convoluted messes, when he finished a painting at all.

    Knowledge is a wonderful thing but understanding knowledge is wisdom. I think kev actually said it earlier that the study and academic understanding of aesthetics is a discipline requiring a lot of time and effort. I'm not sure of the value it has when it comes to streamlining the process of making a picture.
    You make an excellent point here. I admit that I haven't considered this possibility. I could very well fall in to this, as I do have the tendency to rationalize everything.

    It's just the idea is attractive. I hate how I am at the mercy of trial and error. I think the holy grail to art creation would have to be, knowing how to sit down and draw something wonderful everytime you try. More often than not I'm not 100% satisfied with my own work. In my frustration I turn to knowledge, in the hopes of gaining wisdom, which might make me a better artist... or at least understand my failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorinji_Knight View Post
    You make an excellent point here. I admit that I haven't considered this possibility. I could very well fall in to this, as I do have the tendency to rationalize everything.

    It's just the idea is attractive. I hate how I am at the mercy of trial and error. I think the holy grail to art creation would have to be, knowing how to sit down and draw something wonderful everytime you try. More often than not I'm not 100% satisfied with my own work. In my frustration I turn to knowledge, in the hopes of gaining wisdom, which might make me a better artist... or at least understand my failures.
    I know what you're saying but think about it. Once you've done this for awhile it's really about the journey. If the journey and the destination were predictable things would get boring. I think you'll find that most artists and illustrators, even though they need a solid product every time, really live for the risk of the unknown. That new battle over the hill.

    It's nice to know that you can so something well every time but the challenges are what I go for. So being satisfied 100% of the time probably means one is coasting. Coasting is only fun for awhile.

    Knowledge is a great place to turn when frustrated just make sure it's not at the expense of wisdom.

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    I never really felt that I did art for the challenge. I always thought that eventually the challenge would fade and I would become a purely awesome art making machine... if I just could figure it all out.

    But in retrospect you may be right. Maybe the victories wouldn't have as much meaning to me if it wasn't always a battle.

    To paraphrase the great philosopher Bruce Lee:
    "Before I knew the art a punch was just a punch and a kick was just a kick. But as I learned the art, A punch was nolonger just a punch nor a kick just a kick. When I understood the art a punch was just a punch and a kick was just a kick."

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    Shorinji Knight,

    I took a quick look at your portfolio, and in my opinion, firstly you should be working on your understanding of form and anatomy. I recommend copying over bridgman's anatomy books into your notebooks, a few pages a day, and reading along with the text. I also recommend getting into a life drawing session a few times a week and drawing from photographs you find in various magazines. Secondly, you should be painting outside in the landscape once a week.

    You also should try to find The Famous Artists course and Loomis' books. Some of these things are online or available for purchase. Gurney's books are also both recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Shorinji Knight,

    I took a quick look at your portfolio, and in my opinion, firstly you should be working on your understanding of form and anatomy. I recommend copying over bridgman's anatomy books into your notebooks, a few pages a day, and reading along with the text. I also recommend getting into a life drawing session a few times a week and drawing from photographs you find in various magazines. Secondly, you should be painting outside in the landscape once a week.

    You also should try to find The Famous Artists course and Loomis' books. Some of these things are online or available for purchase.

    Best wishes,
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    Thank you for the critique. I alway appreciate someone taking the time to tell me where I'm going wrong! I will definately try to follow your suggestions here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post

    Knowledge is a wonderful thing but understanding knowledge is wisdom. I think kev actually said it earlier that the study and academic understanding of aesthetics is a discipline requiring a lot of time and effort. I'm not sure of the value it has when it comes to streamlining the process of making a picture.
    That's well put Bill.
    I've just bumped into this thread, pushed my way through it and boy... is my machette in need of a sharpening.

    My own answer to your last sentence would be that there is no direct causal process whereby the knowledge can be manifested as a work of art.
    It's impossible to apply the mountain of knowledge in any way that resembles a comprehensive, all-purpose tool for making.
    The knowledge, once it becomes wisdom (synthesised), can only influence itself non-directly. That is, the current passes through the coil and the magnet moves.

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