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    Must.... resist..... urge.... to sidetrack topic.... ... ... with discussion on Architecture being .... nowhere near the same grouping as illustration or concept art... .....
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    My mind goes to the year of 2007 where I made $20,000 in a year… with a wife and four kids… and a house that drained every inch of our savings… we qualified for foodstamps (I didn’t take them)
    I was shocked at that part. How did he survive?
    That barely covers rent for a basic 1 bedroom place here (Australia).

    While reading his blog, my manager pointed out some article about Facebook shares and how some people are getting richer etc.

    David Choe
    Estimated worth: $60m
    Post-IPO estimate: $310m

    US artist David Choe will soon become the creator of the world's most expensive artwork, and you've probably never heard of him. Sean Parker commissioned Choe to paint murals inside the first Facebook headquarters. Zuckerberg asked him to do the same in the next office, and Choe opted to be paid in stock instead of cash. The gamble is set to make Choe around $200 million - making it the most ever paid for an artwork.

    The US painter, graffiti artist and graphic novelist was hired by Sean Parker to paint murals on the walls of the first Facebook office. Zuckerberg commissioned Choe to do the same in the second office, but Choe took his $60,000 fee in stock instead of cash. That could reap him up to $200 million. Choe also has one of his works – a portrait of Barack Obama – hanging in the White House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas Heirwegh View Post
    "Go to a California plein air art gallery in Laguna Beach and look at some of the greatest paintings of our times being sold for $400 bucks a pop. Half of that goes to the gallery. Good luck on that get rich thing."

    Maybe there's his problem. The greatest paintings of our times? With all due respect for those plein air painters but since when are plein air paintings the greatest and most interesting paintings and should go for huge amounts of money? Most plein air paintings are just that, plein air paintings and nothing more. The guys who make or made great landscape paintings with the intention of portraying more than just a landscape are hanging in museums or in good galleries.
    That's as ignorant a statement as you could make. Those paintings are just like any other they depend on the abilities of the artists making them not on their subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    That's as ignorant a statement as you could make. Those paintings are just like any other they depend on the abilities of the artists making them not on their subject.
    I wondered how long it would take you to respond to this. Surprisingly gentle too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    I wondered how long it would take you to respond to this. Surprisingly gentle too.
    Thats the new me, a big fuzzy gentle giant.

    I mean dismissing the most important change in painting in the last 200 years is beyond ignorant. Turner, Constable, Corot, Monet, Van Gogh, Sorolla, Sargent, Levitan Munnings and on and on. Outdoor painting defines the last couple of centuries of representational painting; its what separates it from what went on before outdoor work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas Heirwegh View Post
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    Maybe there's his problem. The greatest paintings of our times? With all due respect for those plein air painters but since when are plein air paintings the greatest and most interesting paintings and should go for huge amounts of money? Most plein air paintings are just that, plein air paintings and nothing more.
    Since when is the location where a painting was painted the defining characteristic of whether it's great or not? Most paintings are neither great nor interesting. Most paintings are not hanging in museums or great galleries. Going by your argument, we can pretty much dismiss all painting as being unworthy because 95% of it is not significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    That's as ignorant a statement as you could make. Those paintings are just like any other they depend on the abilities of the artists making them not on their subject.
    True, true but I didnt mean it like that. I'm not talking about the subject matter, which can be anything you want.
    I'm talking about his statement that those plein air paintings from Laguna are the greatest paintings of our times, which is simply not the case.

    Levitan for example is brilliant because his landscapes aren't just landscapes, they go beyond the landscape. Allot of those plein air paintings from that gallery don't go further then just a landscape. It doesn't have anything to do with the subject. It has more to do with the way it's painted and why the artist is painting it.


    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    Thats the new me, a big fuzzy gentle giant.

    I mean dismissing the most important change in painting in the last 200 years is beyond ignorant. Turner, Constable, Corot, Monet, Van Gogh, Sorolla, Sargent, Levitan Munnings and on and on. Outdoor painting defines the last couple of centuries of representational painting; its what separates it from what went on before outdoor work.
    Agreed, and I'm certainly not dismissing it. I just explained myself badly
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    I don't think you understand landscape painting as much as you think you do.
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    You know Noah, every time I see your new avatar I expect it to move and for you to sniff a sifter of brandy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostblade View Post
    I was shocked at that part. How did he survive?
    That barely covers rent for a basic 1 bedroom place here (Australia).
    Probably bought his house before the housing bubble. Rent and house prices today can be misleading.

    You can also move away from urban centers and pay much less for shelter. Selling your art on the internet makes this easier than it was in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostblade View Post
    While reading his blog, my manager pointed out some article about Facebook shares and how some people are getting richer etc.
    Careful. For every David Choe there are thousands of artists that got nothing from their shares in a company. Look up "Survivorship Bias"

    Example: I worked at a game company and had a lot of shares from stock options. I quit and sold my shares at almost the perfect time (about 5% off from peak). Many of my co-workers ended up staying at the company and the stock price tanked leaving their stock options underwater and worthless. If you just looked at my return, you would think stock options from a game company were a brilliant idea.

    Thanks for the link Manlybrian. I enjoyed reading Doug's blog posts. I'm always happy to read about an independent artist who is successful even if it took him 20 years of hard work to do it.
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    If you love art, then there is a big reason you do. There are many life roles. The role of the artist is the creation of images or product that convey power and beauty; also, it is to inspire.
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    I've always enjoyed art but realized that even if I did get a job as a graphic designer, I would be struggling just to make ends meet. I work in the IT field and earn double what I'd be getting if I were doing art for a living. I'm happy keeping art as a hobby but am always a tad jealous at those who are very successful doing what they love for a living.
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