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    I think one thing you might need to think about as a beginner is that anatomical knowledge =/= drawing skill. Learning anatomy is good for one thing only, and that's learning what a human being looks like. Which is important, but it doesn't have anything directly to do with actually being able to draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christoffer View Post
    My knowledge, as it is, is very formulaic, so what you said there struck pretty close to home. Thanks. I think I understand now.

    All the stuff I know today is pretty much based on general rule of thumb, like proportion grids - where limbs begin & end, how high, how low - and of course, only outer layer muscle groups.

    I should get some books, like Loomis and Bridgemen's complete guide. The only book I have right now is Barcsay's "Anatomy for the artist", which is okay for learning about the human skeleton.

    You have a really nice sketchbook, btw.
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    If you want in-depth anatomy, Loomis and Bridgman are not the best choices. Loomis books are general drawing manuals, and Bridgman's are more or less aimed at analyzing the dynamic pose - but they are not anatomy sources. Barcsay's stuff is useless. Most of it is pilfered from other sources, and the presentation of material is completely clueless.

    Get an Ellerberger's atlas, "Drawing the Living Figure" by Sheppard, and some medical texts. You have to know the structures before you can reliably identify the visible forms, and you can't learn stuff like where each muscle attaches from an atlas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobbA View Post
    I think one thing you might need to think about as a beginner is that anatomical knowledge =/= drawing skill. Learning anatomy is good for one thing only, and that's learning what a human being looks like. Which is important, but it doesn't have anything directly to do with actually being able to draw.
    It's not about learning what it looks like, it's about learning how it works. Otherwise you won't be able to track what composes each pose, and do silly mistakes even when working from life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arenhaus View Post
    Thanks.

    If you want in-depth anatomy, Loomis and Bridgman are not the best choices. Loomis books are general drawing manuals, and Bridgman's are more or less aimed at analyzing the dynamic pose - but they are not anatomy sources. Barcsay's stuff is useless. Most of it is pilfered from other sources, and the presentation of material is completely clueless.

    Get an Ellerberger's atlas, "Drawing the Living Figure" by Sheppard, and some medical texts. You have to know the structures before you can reliably identify the visible forms, and you can't learn stuff like where each muscle attaches from an atlas.
    Hm. I thought they were about anatomy as well as gestures and guidelines, except divided into different volumes.. What about Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy?

    Haha! Funny how the only book I have is the worst one, though, I wouldn't say it's completely useless. I mean I have had some use for it.
    Thanks for the tip on Ellerberger. Never heard of it before.
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    [QUOTE=Christoffer;3448980]Hm. I thought they were about anatomy as well as gestures and guidelines, except divided into different volumes.. What about Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy?

    They are less about anatomy than about the ways to look at anatomy. Which is useful, but you still need to get to the bottom of things. Medical texts, these books are not.

    I am not familiar with the contents of Hogarth's book, sorry. I don't have a copy.

    Haha! Funny how the only book I have is the worst one, though, I wouldn't say it's completely useless. I mean I have had some use for it.
    Thanks for the tip on Ellerberger. Never heard of it before.
    True, that. Any bit of knowledge is useful. Even though there are better sources around than that book.
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    I think Hogarth is good for certain concepts, but I don't think it's a good beginner's anatomy book. But whatever clicks with you.

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    Like I plug in most threads nowadays since I rarely see people suggest him. Vilppu has some interesting stuff.
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    How much anatomy do you really need to know?

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    This...much.
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    If you are good at measuring and seeing you don't need anatomy at all..but if you do, it's a lot easier to get the thing right
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezion View Post
    If you are good at measuring and seeing you don't need anatomy at all..
    Sorry, that's a fallacy. You need to understand what structures you are looking at, or you'll be missing important landmarks that are poorly visible but latch onto incidental detail that don't add anything to the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arenhaus View Post
    Sorry, that's a fallacy. You need to understand what structures you are looking at, or you'll be missing important landmarks that are poorly visible but latch onto incidental detail that don't add anything to the picture.
    not exactly..if you are drawing in a more free way, not giving detail importance but giving it to the ''whole'' then no, you don't really care where the last rib is. And it's another ability of the artist to be able to choose the important and draw that and not every detail.(and also to be able to brake everything to simple shapes..that can be done without knowing everything about anatomy..otherwise why do we use a model? and not do it from our imagination? of course I'm talking about drawing from life..) And as I said, it can be done without knowing anatomy, but mistakes are made more often that way..I agreed that it's better to know anatomy,... but totally necessary to know every bit of anatomy? no.

    edit : that's at least my opionion. I myself know the basics of anatomy and believe everyone should learn at least the basics..but, there are many things that can be done with only seeing (if it is advanced ) like movement, 3d effect, depth, emotion ..
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