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    Critz for stuff

    aye lads 'n' ladies.

    I was working on little something and I need some opinions, on style and may be some tips.

    This is old name which I am using on this website, I use now Whiskered_Gentelman.

    On a picture is my female lizard character called Elizabeth. This one happens after the battle, resting a bit. When I'll be colourling her I'll put on her some blood.
    So far it take me around 5-7 hours.

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    Are you using any reference for this? If not then I'd suggest getting your hands on some photographs of female body-builders and also lizards as I'm not entirely sure what type of lizard your character is supposed to be - even if she's a fantasy reptile species I think you could achieve a more believable look for her if you studied some real-life species.

    I'm not really buying the pose. It looks pinup-ish rather than someone resting after a battle. I'm not sure she could comfortably sit with her tail like that either. Think about how you would feel after a fight, would you pose like that?

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    My suggestions would be to mirror that image and get a pose ref. Right now the arms are posed pretty awkwardly (when posed like that, the right image side elbow would point either to the side or front of the character, not behind and the left image side elbow would be likely to point more to behind the character) and some of the muscles look more like randomly placed lumps.
    Also what species/type of lizard is she supposed to be?

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    Thanks for your opinion.
    Yeah this is pin-upish and silly picture, and I do not aim for realism, almost always when I draw this character it's mostly something silly, she is silly.
    Well how this size of breast can be treated seriously , especially on lizard.

    Thanks for reminding, she is just fantasy species called Saurian.

    Why I should mirror this pic?

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    Well, remember that even if it is a fantasy lizard with boobs, willing suspension of disbelief goes only so far, and you need to consider where that line goes. You can't excuse everything with "it's silly/fantasy". At least those elbows you can't.

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  7. Or breasts on a lizard in general ;p considering they are reptiles and not mammals, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    Why I should mirror this pic?
    Mirroring your drawing occasionally while drawing helps you catch mistakes, like lopsided things etc when you see the drawing with "new" eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    Well, remember that even if it is a fantasy lizard with boobs, willing suspension of disbelief goes only so far, and you need to consider where that line goes. You can't excuse everything with "it's silly/fantasy". At least those elbows you can't.
    Agreed with with ya mate. I am trying to do something with dem elbows but it still look not to great.

    Mirroring your drawing occasionally while drawing helps you catch mistakes, like lopsided things etc when you see the drawing with "new" eyes.
    I did not thought of that, thank mister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    Agreed with with ya mate. I am trying to do something with dem elbows but it still look not to great.
    Mind you showing what ref you are using?

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    I am using just various sport's women pics form web. I did not found any in this position. Additionally I am using my anatomy atlas.

    I am more scientist than artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    Thanks for reminding, she is just fantasy species called Saurian.
    Saurian as in the lizard/alien people from Star Trek? Or Silurian, as in the lizard people from Doctor Who? Or are you trying to make up your own character species and I just watch way too much science fiction?

    I would say, that for a character resting after battle, she is way over sexed. If you want her to convey the story -- resting after a battle -- she needs to look like it, instead of trying to seduce the viewer. I imagine that once she is covered in blood and still trying to be overly sexy, she will be much more confusing to the observer. If you just want her to be sexy and seductive, then I'd recommend nixing the battle aspect altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    I am using just various sport's women pics form web. I did not found any in this position. Additionally I am using my anatomy atlas.
    Case in point. Although you could try looking up body builders if you're dead set on keeping the character sexy. I know they often strike sexy poses in their promo pics and such.

    Maybe something like this would be helpful for the muscles and arms?



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    Thanks for tips and nice reference pic.
    I am aiming to do light type of grotesque on the pic, like big buly lizard, all stained in blood and making silly pose plus that hanging eye ball from her mouth.

    I do have some background for character and her kind, if any one wish to I can tell some about them.

    Newer version. How is this one?

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    Should I progress to base colours?

    Any advices how to make hairs sticky and dirty from blood?

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    You don't need to go for realism per say (even considering that lizards don't have boobs) but those boobs are harming your picture more than they're doing good at the moment, even if you're going for "silly".

    There are still quite a few mistakes that you didn't touch (besides the boobs) such as the far arm. You have to consider your perspective; the horizon line is low and we're looking at the character from a 3/4th view, so that far shoulder should be disappearing behind her body. Instead, you're pulling it forward, along with the entire arm which makes it all seem rather dislocated and uncomfortable. Her tail is also bothering me; it's like an arrow pointing straight out of the picture and it also looks rather flimsy. Finally, I think we should be seeing her head slightly from below. It will both make her more impressive (looming) and fit better with the perspective.

    I hope this helps;



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    Thank you very much ma lady. I'll change that hand but I don't think I'll change breast size or I'll change it too much, how ever I'll try to do another one similar to this but much more sirious. I am not trying to seek for excuse but I have to say "but". She is sittng on a log on my picture and on yours she is standing.

    And that's why I prefer Conceptart.org over DA or FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    Thank you very much ma lady. I'll change that hand but I don't think I'll change breast size or I'll change it too much, how ever I'll try to do another one similar to this but much more sirious. I am not trying to seek for excuse but I have to say "but". She is sittng on a log on my picture and on yours she is standing.
    Well I'm not seeing a log, hence.

    Can I ask you why you are afraid to change it "too much"? Like I told you, the enormous breasts are hurting the image unnecessarily. You're not drawing this for someone else or getting paid for it so you have the freedom to do with it what you want, why would you deliberately keep elements that make it look bad? It's obviously your art so it's entirely up to you, I just don't understand why you'd do that.

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    I don't want to change it too much because it take me a lot of time to do it like this.

    And just second a go my tablet refused to work, WTF?


    Ok never mind it's working again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    I don't want to change it too much because it take me a lot of time to do it like this.
    Well, that's not very useful attitude to take towards your art. The ones who suffer from that is your improvement and your art, which is bit of an oxymoron considering you're here for critiques (which would suggest you do want to improve your art) but then you don't want to put time into fixing things.

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    I don't have to much time for drawing, I can barely draw less than 2 hours per day.
    And from that what you are saying I would have to draw most of the pic from new, so it would be easier to star new one.

    Yes I would love to improve slightly my skills but I don't aspire to be a pro or even to be good, I just want to be bit better than now.

    Here is current state of pic

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    All I see is the exact same mistakes being repeated.

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    I've spend over 4h since I've submitted it previously.

    I have done some colour work on this but it's hidden for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    I've spend over 4h since I've submitted it previously.

    I have done some colour work on this but it's hidden for now.
    Thats 4 hours wasted.

    Unless you improve on your fundamental
    understanding of basic illustration, especially anatomy and
    poses as well as just basic rendering of shapes and form
    don't expect to ever see any improvement.

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    Yeah, Star Eater is right. You have to put time and practice into art to improve and if you don't have much but still want to improve, then you'll have to spend it wisely. If you're happy with your art as it is, that's okay, but our crits, redlines and refs will not help you that much.

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    But what if I don't have time?

    I was trying to shrink dem jugz, now it's whole messed up. Great.
    Should I draw it once again ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamarine View Post
    But what if I don't have time?
    Depends what you mean with that. If you can cut stuff like, say, watching tv, playing games, sitting on the computer not drawing, going out a lot, sleeping late etc and draw where you can, like while sitting in the bus/train/rushour, drinking your morning coffee, while having lunch hour/taking a break during work/school you usually can get couple extra drawing hours to your life. Of course there's some things you can't avoid (like if you have kids, school, work) but mostly it just depends on what you're willing to give up for drawing.
    For example I wake up half an hour earlier just so I can doodle stuff before going to work.

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    I already sleep late.
    I have school and whole my brakes spend on learning or doing assignments, especially now at the end of year.

    I'll start work placements soon, it would great but I will have it in Hydrotherapy for animals, so taking paper and pencils is litarly a bad idea.

    I just play once for few days tf 2, not to much, hour or two.
    I don't eat to much, I eat my school lunch as supper at home because I don't have time to eat it at school. Lol

    I don't have social live though.

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    Well, if the case is that then it can't really be helped, and you'll just have to either concentrate on putting the few hours you have to good use (anatomy studies, life drawing, etc practice) and/or just deal with that you'll have a disadvantage and will improve really slowly.

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    Well I've starded it over.

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  30. Hey, everything I would say has been covered, but can I just add that super huge breasts aren't even the problem here? The problem is you drew them REALLY BADLY. You don't have to make them smaller if you'd just situate them on the ribcage correctly, and fix the shape. I mean, is it really that hard to find references of ridiculously large breasts on the internet?

    'Cuz life is full of your regrets, and I should be one...
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    Is it any better now? I was also practising with drawing from life, I'll later upload that thing.

    I am doing in that way first time.

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