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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel Intheuk View Post
    zoe..I think you might get alot out of the Crimson Citters vids

    <--the last crit on this one and...

    <---The second crit at 35mins especially this one seems more relevant to what you're trying to achieve.


    Edit: also I think you're getting too attached to your picture to see what people are saying, I used to be that way, and it can be harsh to hear people ripping your stuff apart, but you did say that the picture you posted was a rough colour and comp sketch so I don't see why you don't at least try some of the stuff suggested, 'murder your darlings' and all that.

    I'm going to re-draw it......


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    ".At least velocity took it on putting his credibility on the line"

    HA Im a 30 year old man who wears an orange roadworkers jumpsuit as an item of daily clothing and skates through traffic looking like an orange tampon every day.
    The other night I got so drunk I passed out in a field and got woken up by a cow trying to eat the tobacco in my pockets. That or give me a blowy. You have any idea how much snot comes out of a cows face when the corpse its nuzzling suddenly screams in terror and slaps it on the nose? Think jurrassic park bronotosaurus. And then skate home like an orange tampon. covered in cow shit. My point is my credibility is gone. shot to pieces years ago.

    i think your hearts in the right place but you need to work on the abrasive, i want pro tips and i wont stop mouthing off till i get em attitude. i am a pro, at least in as much as people pay me, the credulous saps. but yeah it is still fun.
    as a special favour to me, try actually for once taking some advice that your given by these people, theyre not yanking your chain or trying to embarass you. because dude. seriously. this painting eats at the moment, and you cant see anything wrong with it, which if your serious about improving is like having Yoda tell you about the Force and you going aro9und using it to torture small animals. Its exactly like that. The simile is uncanny.
    Spooky even. How can you live with yourself? What did those baby creatures ever do to you?

    this, yeah my 15 minute scribbleover aint much to write home about. We need Venger or Javier P on the case those guys youd better listen to. Even if you ignore the rest of us, listen to Venger Giocomo and javierP those dudes are sick.
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    Hey Zoe, just out of curiosity, what is it you want to do with your art? Are you a hobbyist who just wants to draw what's in his mind occasionally? Or do you aim to be a working professional? I'm asking because the people here are treating you like a professional, but you're responding as a hobbyist. Particularly the part where you said "you guys are falling to hard on rules..there are no rules in art there is no set way to draw anything." sounds like your aim is not to create art of a particular (professional) level. Which is fine, a lot of people treat art as a recreational thing and for them creating work of a certain quality is not important. But if that is you, you probably don't want to be in this section of the forum because I doubt you'll find what you're looking for here.

    Be honest to us and most importantly, be honest to yourself. What do you really want?

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    Mentally, spiritually, whatever, your just not ready for this. It has nothing to do with your skill level, and everything to do with your attitude. You have misconceptions about what your even doing, are you painting this picture to learn about painting, or are you painting it to make a perfect piece, that took months to render, and still looks like crap because you don't know how to paint, just how to smudge paint over 3d renders, which is teaching you jack. Don't over invest in any one piece, spread it out, do studies of everything that interests you, paint not to finish the piece, but to just learn something new.

    You need an attitude adjustment, bottom line, and with your "defensor" attitude, your coming across pretty frickin' thick my dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    ".At least velocity took it on putting his credibility on the line"

    HA Im a 30 year old man who wears an orange roadworkers jumpsuit as an item of daily clothing and skates through traffic looking like an orange tampon every day.
    The other night I got so drunk I passed out in a field and got woken up by a cow trying to eat the tobacco in my pockets. That or give me a blowy. You have any idea how much snot comes out of a cows face when the corpse its nuzzling suddenly screams in terror and slaps it on the nose? Think jurrassic park bronotosaurus. And then skate home like an orange tampon. covered in cow shit. My point is my credibility is gone. shot to pieces years ago.

    i think your hearts in the right place but you need to work on the abrasive, i want pro tips and i wont stop mouthing off till i get em attitude. i am a pro, at least in as much as people pay me, the credulous saps. but yeah it is still fun.
    as a special favour to me, try actually for once taking some advice that your given by these people, theyre not yanking your chain or trying to embarass you. because dude. seriously. this painting eats at the moment, and you cant see anything wrong with it, which if your serious about improving is like having Yoda tell you about the Force and you going aro9und using it to torture small animals. Its exactly like that. The simile is uncanny.
    Spooky even. How can you live with yourself? What did those baby creatures ever do to you?

    this, yeah my 15 minute scribbleover aint much to write home about. We need Venger or Javier P on the case those guys youd better listen to. Even if you ignore the rest of us, listen to Venger Giocomo and javierP those dudes are sick.
    this had me lmao for realz whew...ok
    yeah the painting you did, like I said that is something I would have done a month ago..since people have been critiquing me though they would scream to high heaven if I showed them something like that..who on earth is venger and javier?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhune View Post
    Hey Zoe, just out of curiosity, what is it you want to do with your art? Are you a hobbyist who just wants to draw what's in his mind occasionally? Or do you aim to be a working professional? I'm asking because the people here are treating you like a professional, but you're responding as a hobbyist. Particularly the part where you said "you guys are falling to hard on rules..there are no rules in art there is no set way to draw anything." sounds like your aim is not to create art of a particular (professional) level. Which is fine, a lot of people treat art as a recreational thing and for them creating work of a certain quality is not important. But if that is you, you probably don't want to be in this section of the forum because I doubt you'll find what you're looking for here.
    Be honest to us and most importantly, be honest to yourself. What do you really want?
    just a hobby,I was getting tired of my stuff always being so dark and stiff..I just wanted to really break past that barrier and I think as a 1st step this picture is worlds better than my old stuff already..so? idk it's just a layout but still I think it has potential once it's completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailsPace View Post
    Mentally, spiritually, whatever, your just not ready for this. It has nothing to do with your skill level, and everything to do with your attitude. You have misconceptions about what your even doing, are you painting this picture to learn about painting, or are you painting it to make a perfect piece, that took months to render, and still looks like crap because you don't know how to paint, just how to smudge paint over 3d renders, which is teaching you jack. Don't over invest in any one piece, spread it out, do studies of everything that interests you, paint not to finish the piece, but to just learn something new.

    You need an attitude adjustment, bottom line, and with your "defensor" attitude, your coming across pretty frickin' thick my dude.
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums I work from pencil sketches not painting over 3D models that is one of the 1st steps to pose my figures right.Harsh words usually come from a little jealous man so I assume that is exactly what you are sir..My art is far from skill-less or talent-less I just need work on my composition and adding more colors...people are so rude..jesus christ.

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    this was my last crack at it earlier
    after watching those videos on youtube I'm still not where I want to be with this thing...as soon as I trying to just go ahead and aim the spear at the monster I feel like I lose my diagonal body arch and I wanted that so bad

    I did bite the bullet and make him a little smaller so you would be able to see his feet aren't on the ground and he's jumping at the beast.
    aimed the rocks at him to kinda frame the figure

    what I'm finding myself struggling with is putting a lot of depth in that ver small amount of space between him and the huge monster..the monster looks like idk..
    like his head from horn to chin would be just a little bigger than the heroes whole body..but if I were to draw people down there I'd want them much smaller than that..I have so many issues with the layout as well as everyone else I thought about doing a different view point but I absolutely love this aerial behind the hero cam..I might just be in an un-winnable situation cause of what I personally want to see..?

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    First I'm going to adress your update.

    Good that you resized the hero, it's much clearer that he's in the air now. Still, it's as you suspect, it's an "un-winnable" situation I think. I do that a lot myself. I start stuff and then just realize that I'm trying more than I'm capable of. That's why I have reduced myself to painting nail polish bottles for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by IIIzoeIII View Post
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums
    This forum's name is "CRITIQUE CENTER & W.I.P. SHOWCASE". Not "or", but "and". Meaning that if you post your works in progress here, you are asking for critiques. If you just want to show your W.I.Ps I suggest that you make a sketchbook instead. The sketchbook forum can be found here. I think that would be better for now. Browse around the other threads in this forum and in the sketchbooks, try to learn from them, read the recommended books and draw, both studies and what you like to draw, like action scenes. Post your progress in your sketchbook. That's what I'm doing, (the aforementioned nail polish), and it's amazing how much you can learn by doing that.
    I think you won't profit much from posting in this forum at this stage, since I think you haven't gotten a feel of this place yet and it'll only cause a lot of friction with long-time members here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIzoeIII View Post
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums I work from pencil sketches not painting over 3D models that is one of the 1st steps to pose my figures right.Harsh words usually come from a little jealous man so I assume that is exactly what you are sir..My art is far from skill-less or talent-less I just need work on my composition and adding more colors...people are so rude..jesus christ.
    He said you have an attitude problem, and you do. Try a little modesty. You're not as good as Velocity and Snails was just trying to be helpful. Your assuming that he is "a little jealous man" is nothing short of incredibly childish, not to mention arrogant. Acknowledge that you're not as good as you think you are, that you have a long road of improvement still ahead of you as we all do, and listen to those who spend time of their day trying to help you. Time they could undoubtedly have spent doing something else useful.

    Your biggest problem right now is that you're too fond of your own work. You've done something you think is good and you're trying to form everything around that one successful thing, which just isn't going to work. You're only making things more difficult for yourself. You said you were going to start over a few posts back, I wonder if you're really going to. It would definitely be a step in the right direction.

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    "I did bite the bullet and make him a little smaller so you would be able to see his feet aren't on the ground and he's jumping at the beast."

    looks way better for it.
    you should try cutting him out and moving him about and resizing him, like you would a collage. really helps to 5 versions and pick the best.


    "what I'm finding myself struggling with is putting a lot of depth in that ver small amount of space between him and the huge monster..the monster looks like idk..
    like his head from horn to chin would be just a little bigger than the heroes whole body..but if I were to draw people down there I'd want them much smaller than that"


    Atmospheric haze; bring the blacks up and maybe blue them a little to show there are hundreds of metres of air diffusing the light between us and the demon thing.

    one other thing the demons face looks like this, althugh i get it that this is an early version subject to (grudging) change

    after being critiqued.....
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    Dear Mr Kendall

    as for this little tirade
    "HA Im a 30 year old man who wears an orange roadworkers jumpsuit as an item of daily clothing and skates through traffic looking like an orange tampon every day.
    The other night I got so drunk I passed out in a field and got woken up by a cow trying to eat the tobacco in my pockets. That or give me a blowy. You have any idea how much snot comes out of a cows face when the corpse its nuzzling suddenly screams in terror and slaps it on the nose? Think jurrassic park bronotosaurus. And then skate home like an orange tampon. covered in cow shit. My point is my credibility is gone. shot to pieces years ago."
    I congratulate you wholeheartedly and I knew I had found a kindred spirit in the art world, I just Love you man!! and I am even more proud to know you LOL.
    Interestingly I did a similar thing once, as the company I worked for won a "queens award for exports" long time ago and I was so off my face I too woke up surrounded by a hareem of herfordshire cows, and you are dead right that is an apalling amount of gunge from one animal!

    As for the image "IIIzoeIII" mate I honestly think that the left arm should be more in evidence to balance the throw it seems odd for it not to be there. I am glad to see the foreshortening on the spear though it needed that in a big way. The cape or cloak is still an issue as well as it looks like part of the landscape being mostly the same colour as the rocks.

    I hope I was of some help during this process and I wish you well with your hobby.

    My last word of advice would be to start an account on Deviant art they are more into ass pats and well dones than you get in here. This place gets hard and harsh sometimes and indeed some of my stuff has been totally destroyed however it has been vastly improved with the help and advice I have been given in this forum. Indeed "Artfix" has been a tower of strength for me and i was sad so see your comments about him.
    Enjoy deviant art I really think that is the place for you mate all the best.
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    heres a quick bit of air depth

    edit Lightship HA HA its ridic isnt it! I thought i was being attacked by aliens!! When I slapped its nose and jumped up shouting in horror they all reared up and ran away farting and pooing and beaming hot streams of steaming piss everywhere! I laughed at them and called them idiots, slipped, pushed my hand into a warm cow pat and stumbled off to where id stashed my board. done a good bit of crying and talking to people who didnt exist to i vaguely recall. me and gwyneth paltrow discussed locations for her new movie being filmed in Cambridge at length. shes a right little flirt old Non Existent Paltrow. thats absinth and red bull for you man. rocketfuel.
    right back at you you funny old bugger btw. to the queens pleasure!
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