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Christ this thread has snowballed. i agree much better image. lose the circle and make the image like 700 pxls tall so we can see it. Try getting some references for igneous rock and obsidian for the rocks as they look like guess work atm. I said this before and i'm pretty sure it went by unread... please don't use the smudge brush for rocks, it just doesn't make sense. get your reference on...combined with your chalk brush...on :/
I'd like to see the image a bit bigger too. Not huge mind you, just big enough to fit on the screen so my shitty eyes can see it better.
The thumbnailing discussion had me interested too. I know about composition and making a possible picture up using blobs and shapes, and I know about working through an idea process to get to an end result. But I don't call it thumbnailing, I call the rough ideas sketches, so maybe thats where some of the confusion on Zoe's part is coming in. People are quick to tell everyone to thumbnail but not everyone uses that term so it can be confusing.
I also think it might be a bit elitist for people to say they don't usually bother critiquing a piece if they think the poster is an amateur. Thats something I would never do because not everyone who uses this forum is a professional or near it yet. And it's not always possible to tell who is and who isn't by the work they post in the Critique Centre. Making assumptions about people's skill level or professional status is pretty narrow minded and egotistical and it's a real shame that there might be a culture like that in this forum. It surprises me to hear it.
Regardless of whether Zoe had a bad attitude or not, I think crits should be given freely and openly to all who ask. But if people don't have time, or feel they're not being appreciated for their efforts, then just don't crit. It's pretty much that simple.
You are getting lots of good advice. I wouldn't dismiss it. Seems a lot of what's been said would apply to how I would of treated a quick po of an older pic of yours.
What saddens me is when you try to help people, offer insight, recommendations for books, etc. and as often as not get nothing but crap in return.
Every one here has BEEN helping you. Artists here are not stingy or stuck-up. I would take some of their advice. They only come across as rude because they've made an effort to help you, and so far have only gotten mostly argumentative replies.
Last edited by jacobanderson; April 28th, 2012 at 02:38 PM.
there's some things I like and some things I don't.Just by making it brighter I think it reads like the sun is rising instead of the sun is setting which isn't the mood I was shooting for.It was a piece doomed for failure I'm afraid.I wanted dark and looming also to have a ton of detail in the figure..but like someone said there's too much landscape to be that..I think it ended up being exactly what it was.A painting conceived from the mind of a young artist who knew very little about composition..so when I went back and digitally remade it..didn't really help the picture much..sure it looks more realistic and the coloring looks better than crappy old oil paint but as a whole it's just nothing special at all.I never go back and fix old work I just move onto the next.
thought I'd post an update on how the actual piece is coming along.I might start getting a little crazy with this guy not sure yet..almost feels like the more horns and plates I add to his skin the better he looks.
But yeah, I'm beginning to ramble and probably repeat myself, so I'll shut up now.
I'm also bowing out of this thread because I cant find anything constructive to say to someone who thinks oils look crappy.
And you say there's no sense of better than or worse than? Are you sure about that? That's...I don't think you meant that quite like that.
critiquing on this site is like walking up to fat person and saying goddamn you're a fucking fat ass you need to not be a fat ass anymore..quit eating so much.
just kinda harsh, you could say hey cut back and crappy food,run,get protein etc..do a paint-over of them skinny ya know be nice about it. lmao!
I leave here wanting to say ok 1st off Fuck U and 2ndly thanks for the advice I might try some of this shit out
all the advice kind and rude alike have broadened my mind though..I went and found some more gold on youtube just cause artfix said "my 3rds were ok" I had no idea wtf he was talking about..so I googled it and like everything it wasn't visual enough so I typed into youtube and found aaaall kinds of goodies..I think I've learned more about color and composition in the last few days than all of high school art class.I don't think oil paints are crappy as a medium btw I just don't like painting..I used to paint 24/7 and it was very frustrating and took so long to dry..I could never do what I wanted to do with them..when I went digital it was my dream come true.I think art is just straight up fun now.
So follow advice or don't. It doesn't *really* matter to anyone but you.
(If you say "thanks for the advice" though you might get more of it. If you say "this is total bullshit", expect to do a lot more problem solving by yourself.)
No, thats not what I meant by that, but I'm not wording things clearly so I'm coming across wrong. I think.And you say there's no sense of better than or worse than? Are you sure about that? That's...I don't think you meant that quite like that.
What I meant was that I don't approach critiquing, or any creative interaction, from a position of "I'm better than you because I'm a professional and you're an amateur" or "you're cool and so much better than me because you're a professional and I'm an amateur". I've seen both those attitudes lead to people looking down on others or playing groupie roles and neither of those types of behaviour has any place in giving or receiving critiiques.
It's all related to the elitism thing I commented on in my earlier post but I don't think I made myself clear enough. So I'll just point to DaEvil's post below, who said it much better than me, and leave it at that -
I could give you my personal opinion that in your digital pieces, you don't seem to have an eye for colour or light because the reds and blues in the op are too bright and badly chosen shades, and the light in the picture someone quoted for you in this last page makes everything look like it's made of some kind of shiny plastic. But thats only my opinion and giving it doesn't mean I think all digital art looks crappy. Do you see?