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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailsPace View Post
    Mentally, spiritually, whatever, your just not ready for this. It has nothing to do with your skill level, and everything to do with your attitude. You have misconceptions about what your even doing, are you painting this picture to learn about painting, or are you painting it to make a perfect piece, that took months to render, and still looks like crap because you don't know how to paint, just how to smudge paint over 3d renders, which is teaching you jack. Don't over invest in any one piece, spread it out, do studies of everything that interests you, paint not to finish the piece, but to just learn something new.

    You need an attitude adjustment, bottom line, and with your "defensor" attitude, your coming across pretty frickin' thick my dude.
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums I work from pencil sketches not painting over 3D models that is one of the 1st steps to pose my figures right.Harsh words usually come from a little jealous man so I assume that is exactly what you are sir..My art is far from skill-less or talent-less I just need work on my composition and adding more colors...people are so rude..jesus christ.


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    this was my last crack at it earlier
    after watching those videos on youtube I'm still not where I want to be with this thing...as soon as I trying to just go ahead and aim the spear at the monster I feel like I lose my diagonal body arch and I wanted that so bad

    I did bite the bullet and make him a little smaller so you would be able to see his feet aren't on the ground and he's jumping at the beast.
    aimed the rocks at him to kinda frame the figure

    what I'm finding myself struggling with is putting a lot of depth in that ver small amount of space between him and the huge monster..the monster looks like idk..
    like his head from horn to chin would be just a little bigger than the heroes whole body..but if I were to draw people down there I'd want them much smaller than that..I have so many issues with the layout as well as everyone else I thought about doing a different view point but I absolutely love this aerial behind the hero cam..I might just be in an un-winnable situation cause of what I personally want to see..?

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    First I'm going to adress your update.

    Good that you resized the hero, it's much clearer that he's in the air now. Still, it's as you suspect, it's an "un-winnable" situation I think. I do that a lot myself. I start stuff and then just realize that I'm trying more than I'm capable of. That's why I have reduced myself to painting nail polish bottles for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by IIIzoeIII View Post
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums
    This forum's name is "CRITIQUE CENTER & W.I.P. SHOWCASE". Not "or", but "and". Meaning that if you post your works in progress here, you are asking for critiques. If you just want to show your W.I.Ps I suggest that you make a sketchbook instead. The sketchbook forum can be found here. I think that would be better for now. Browse around the other threads in this forum and in the sketchbooks, try to learn from them, read the recommended books and draw, both studies and what you like to draw, like action scenes. Post your progress in your sketchbook. That's what I'm doing, (the aforementioned nail polish), and it's amazing how much you can learn by doing that.
    I think you won't profit much from posting in this forum at this stage, since I think you haven't gotten a feel of this place yet and it'll only cause a lot of friction with long-time members here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIzoeIII View Post
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums I work from pencil sketches not painting over 3D models that is one of the 1st steps to pose my figures right.Harsh words usually come from a little jealous man so I assume that is exactly what you are sir..My art is far from skill-less or talent-less I just need work on my composition and adding more colors...people are so rude..jesus christ.
    He said you have an attitude problem, and you do. Try a little modesty. You're not as good as Velocity and Snails was just trying to be helpful. Your assuming that he is "a little jealous man" is nothing short of incredibly childish, not to mention arrogant. Acknowledge that you're not as good as you think you are, that you have a long road of improvement still ahead of you as we all do, and listen to those who spend time of their day trying to help you. Time they could undoubtedly have spent doing something else useful.

    Your biggest problem right now is that you're too fond of your own work. You've done something you think is good and you're trying to form everything around that one successful thing, which just isn't going to work. You're only making things more difficult for yourself. You said you were going to start over a few posts back, I wonder if you're really going to. It would definitely be a step in the right direction.

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    "I did bite the bullet and make him a little smaller so you would be able to see his feet aren't on the ground and he's jumping at the beast."

    looks way better for it.
    you should try cutting him out and moving him about and resizing him, like you would a collage. really helps to 5 versions and pick the best.


    "what I'm finding myself struggling with is putting a lot of depth in that ver small amount of space between him and the huge monster..the monster looks like idk..
    like his head from horn to chin would be just a little bigger than the heroes whole body..but if I were to draw people down there I'd want them much smaller than that"


    Atmospheric haze; bring the blacks up and maybe blue them a little to show there are hundreds of metres of air diffusing the light between us and the demon thing.

    one other thing the demons face looks like this, althugh i get it that this is an early version subject to (grudging) change

    after being critiqued.....
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    Dear Mr Kendall

    as for this little tirade
    "HA Im a 30 year old man who wears an orange roadworkers jumpsuit as an item of daily clothing and skates through traffic looking like an orange tampon every day.
    The other night I got so drunk I passed out in a field and got woken up by a cow trying to eat the tobacco in my pockets. That or give me a blowy. You have any idea how much snot comes out of a cows face when the corpse its nuzzling suddenly screams in terror and slaps it on the nose? Think jurrassic park bronotosaurus. And then skate home like an orange tampon. covered in cow shit. My point is my credibility is gone. shot to pieces years ago."
    I congratulate you wholeheartedly and I knew I had found a kindred spirit in the art world, I just Love you man!! and I am even more proud to know you LOL.
    Interestingly I did a similar thing once, as the company I worked for won a "queens award for exports" long time ago and I was so off my face I too woke up surrounded by a hareem of herfordshire cows, and you are dead right that is an apalling amount of gunge from one animal!

    As for the image "IIIzoeIII" mate I honestly think that the left arm should be more in evidence to balance the throw it seems odd for it not to be there. I am glad to see the foreshortening on the spear though it needed that in a big way. The cape or cloak is still an issue as well as it looks like part of the landscape being mostly the same colour as the rocks.

    I hope I was of some help during this process and I wish you well with your hobby.

    My last word of advice would be to start an account on Deviant art they are more into ass pats and well dones than you get in here. This place gets hard and harsh sometimes and indeed some of my stuff has been totally destroyed however it has been vastly improved with the help and advice I have been given in this forum. Indeed "Artfix" has been a tower of strength for me and i was sad so see your comments about him.
    Enjoy deviant art I really think that is the place for you mate all the best.
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    heres a quick bit of air depth

    edit Lightship HA HA its ridic isnt it! I thought i was being attacked by aliens!! When I slapped its nose and jumped up shouting in horror they all reared up and ran away farting and pooing and beaming hot streams of steaming piss everywhere! I laughed at them and called them idiots, slipped, pushed my hand into a warm cow pat and stumbled off to where id stashed my board. done a good bit of crying and talking to people who didnt exist to i vaguely recall. me and gwyneth paltrow discussed locations for her new movie being filmed in Cambridge at length. shes a right little flirt old Non Existent Paltrow. thats absinth and red bull for you man. rocketfuel.
    right back at you you funny old bugger btw. to the queens pleasure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIzoeIII View Post
    who on earth is venger and javier?...
    The guys that provide advice and paintovers you'd better download and save somewhere. I do that.

    Just to get you an idea of javiers' feedback:
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    what an excellently apt example LL

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    I say things bluntly sometimes when someone doesn't seem to be listening. And my hope is that the blunt words kind of wake you up. I do it sparingly and knowingly. Actually I'm very sensitive to matters of rudeness because I also dislike rudeness on these forums.

    But I always am critical--that's the whole point, or it wouldn't be helpful.

    In the end, you're a hobbyist and this is not the place for you I'm afraid. Why should we spend our time helping you when you don't even want to spend the time improving? You can find MANY hobbyists on deviantart.com that will talk with you.

    You're asking for advice from professionals so that you can fumble around on your computer when you have nothing better to do? I dunno man, that seems rude to me, to have wasted our time. That would be like me asking a car mechanic for detailed advice on repairing my car, and then I go home and wash my car for fun.

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    velocity wins for being the most random human I have ever conversed with.. online anyway

    and sorry if I want to get better just for fun..I have been doing the art thing my entire life..literally ever since I could hold a pencil I was trying to draw.I don't have nearly enough money to go to art school or anything like that I just want to improve on a few things..cause since it's not for anyone but me I like my figures and think they are much finer quality than a lot of published stuff..I don't need to be any better to be content with them.I do like to occasionally do an entire piece when I'm not designing characters which is the main thing I do..that and write.All I really want help with is color and composition...I'm like a broken record with that..no need to get all shitty with me about every last aspect of my art it's fine,I know it's fine I don't need anyone to tell me I'm decent I know I'm at deviant art haha.I want to be critiqued but damn some of these peeps are not even trying to be nice about giving advice.I believe in helping and showing a demonstration cause I myself am really visual..I need to SEE something to understand it.I have to go back and read this stuff several times to try and visualize what someone is talking about.

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    this is sort of what one of my models looks like before I start painting it in the puter...I think it is perfectly acceptable to use as a base to paint on.I don't know why people are fussing about that even..it's a damn sketch..really.

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    haha cheers
    your biro work is good. why not scan that in and use it as part of the image?
    in fact get a load of paper and design your shot; scribble plan views and side elvations, diagrams, blobs for major componants, all rough and fast as you can, and then as you home in on a really decent Scorcese-esque shot set up THEN start playing with in Photoshop. get the basics strong and youll be cooking on gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIzoeIII View Post
    and this really isn't worth responding to cause I've already said that this is a layout like 20 times..this section is where you post works in progress.....I think somebody got lost on the forums I work from pencil sketches not painting over 3D models that is one of the 1st steps to pose my figures right.Harsh words usually come from a little jealous man so I assume that is exactly what you are sir..My art is far from skill-less or talent-less I just need work on my composition and adding more colors...people are so rude..jesus christ.
    No actually you got me right, I am an angry lil man.
    after being critiqued.....


    My words are harsh because your ears are closed, as you said, you've been told the same thing 20 times, and as a general rule, if 20 ppl tell you have shit on yer' face, well, then brother, you got some shit on yer' face.

    If you want to be a better artist, stfu, and listen to what ppl are suggesting, its for your benefit, not theirs. If you are not driven to improve, then go somewhere else, as someone else said DA is a good place for back patting.

    You need to know how to receive a critique, I suggest you you read the thread stickied at the top of the WIP+critique section. Your argumentative stance is non productive and stubborn. So instead of getting a critique on your art, you get one on your attitude.

    Your digital art btw, looks like you just started and your smudging paint with a mouse. Its a place to start, but don't stay there. I recognize the techniques because I started that way too. Just keep moving forward. I just hope some of this is getting through.

    Sorry for being blunt, but, that is the point.

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