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    Spartan Camp #221 - 50 gestures + Optional "Free Choice Anatomical Feature Study"

    Spartan Camp #221 - 50 gestures + Optional "Free Choice Anatomical Feature Study"

    The aim is to produce 50 gestures by Sunday the 29nd of April.

    - The gestures can be of anything, human, animal, cavorting capybaras.... You can draw full figures, but you can also go for heads, arms, eyes, or anything specific. All media can be used, both digital or traditional. Coloured or black/white. Quick scribbles or long studies. Imagination or referenced. Clothed or nude. Specifics are up to you!

    - In addition to this, participants can choose to do an Optional "Free Choice Anatomical Feature Study", in any medium.
    Additional notes on this weeks’ Optional Study:


    The Background:
    Most likely, we have our weaknesses when it comes to gesture drawing. Perhaps its the knees that are always troubling you. Or those ears keep looking funny. Or you just can't figure out how that shoulder works. This week its time to face this problem!

    The Exercise:
    Pick a single anatomical feature that's giving you trouble and do a detailed anatomical study. For the sake of this optional study, take "anatomical feature" with a grain of salt. It could be a facial feature, a certain muscle, any appendage, joint, or anything you have trouble with. This could be your chance to improve something critical, and receive critique on something you need specifically!

    Next weeks' optional study:
    Figure Balance Study

    As always- reference advised, not obligatory. Colour, medium, time frame, any specifics are up to you! Good luck and have fun! And feel free to ask questions!


    50 poses is a challenge, but don't hurry or stress yourself reaching it! Focus on drawing, as practising is the main goal of this exercise.

    Criticizing each other is highly encouraged!! Share constructive criticism, reference images and resources!! Let's help each other get better!

    Come on soldiers! Flex those muscles!!

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    @Anthis (from previous SC) Yeah, i'm using references, just to get a feel for proportions and variety. I'm not exactly timing myself just doing the drawing until it reads similar to the ref. I use Thesartorialist.com for all the refs. Great site ref courtesy of Matt Kohr @Ctrlpaint.com for finding it.

    You are right though, I should be adding faces to them, but i get scared I also tend to forget. Well ill try to add more from here on out. These gestures im posting today were done before I read your crit so they are still faceless drones .

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    @AdrianNagorski I think your work is a bit narrow. Its the opposite of mine. i tend to make my drawings wider than they actually are, but I think yours feel narrower than they should be- especially apparent in the Hogarth study.

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    Drawing in Bridgeman's style feels weird. It sort of feels natural but at the same time unnatural. Sadly my attempts look alot flatter than his.

    The torso study is elongated but it seemed correct when I compared it to the source. Though I do "know' its too long to be anatomically correct -.-'

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    Little-Maiden: a few nice neck sections, over all i don't think they look flat at all, shading good. looks like your using expensive paper?

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    Thanks guys for feedback.

    Anthis: I have no troubles with posting now, I am debtor of you (hope this sentence makes sense ) You are totally right about my poses. I have to play with it and use more shorter lines instead long ones. I haven't been posting anything in SC because I have been more focused on heads and I've been building my own SB. Poses are very important and I need to learn it, but it seems to be very hard. If you learnt it I can do it too.

    Here are some poses I did in last 2 days. All of them are 60 seconds.

    Aghhh I need to start heavily commenting on CA because I am neglecting it. Some friends, heavily feedback and hard work is what I need right now. It's hard to operate on 2 forums at the same time.











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    my 50. i think i'll be able to get the anatomy study done. i'll critique everyone later this evening.

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    @AdrianNagorski hehe maybe I'm being to hard on myself, its just hard to see your own work in the light others would. In regards to paper, its actually cheap ass paper. Cost like $1 for 50 or something. It looks nice when scanned I admit but its not actually very nice to draw on. The texture is in lines so the pencil slides down the texture a bit oddly.

    @Blu-01 Don't be dissuaded by the difficulty of the figure. You'll spend a life-time trying to perfect it and even then you'll learn more every time you draw a new figure. Still I think its the staple to all drawing. Drawing the figure well bleeds into all aspects of art.

    @Syle I'm not sure how long you took on each one of the gestures, but like i've said to many before, don't burn into gestures too much. 50x 60 sec is 50 minutes ofc and is just enough to "warm up" some would even suggest just doing less. Remember to do an extended study after short gestures otherwise it doesn't really serve a purpose. Gestures lead into further, more elaborate drawing and as I've learned from my own hours spent on hundreds of quick gestures, shouldn't be an end in-and-of itself. In regards to the gestures themselves though, I think you should refrain from scribbly shading. Take 5 secs and just do a single directional hatching indicating line and dark. It looks cleaner and clearer. That or use the side of the pencil.

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    Gestures so far = 22.

    These fashion gestures have faces! Some looking creepy as shit and giving me nightmares but faces nonetheless . Not all are referenced some are from imagination but I won't say which, in hopes they can't be picked out from the referenced ones.

    Also more Bridgeman- going through the book page by page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Maiden View Post
    ot all are referenced some are from imagination but I won't say which, in hopes they can't be picked out from the referenced ones.
    I'd actually prefer you say. This has something that has made it hard for me to offer cc in your sketchbook. The reason is this: there may be systemic issues with your drawings from imagination, and other issues with your drawings from life. Mix them together and they largely cancel out, because the patters aren't as obvious. In terms of offering cc, it would be way more helpful to me if you start pointing out more explicitly which is which.

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    some Bridgman
    n some artsy poses
    sadly i think thats all me has time for this week . .. . wish i could stop time!!!!

    Little-Maiden: okey, i bought 500 pages of copying paper for around 5 bucks Australian, i use that, i just asked because it
    looked really textured in one photo. also in regards to how we see our own work it will always look like crap to us for some reason
    other see our work and marvel, and i can never understand why, on occasion you are blow away by something you draw which is rare but
    happens, spend ages steering at some of my secret sketches LOL i guess its part of being an artist.


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    I'm back

    Nice stuff Little-Maiden.

    AdrianNagorski You are getting better at this, congrats.


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    boy! I needed this. So the sketches in mostly chronological order, and you can see how horrible some of the initial ones were. I was doing ten sketches a day, trying to keep them under 2 minutes, but frequently went over that. And I feel a lot better after a few days of this!

    Used quickposes.com for many but they all seem to have an assortment of roughly the same damn poses and body types? meh.

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    90 - 120 secs, 60 secs and a long one.

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    I decided to focus on legs for the whole lot, trying to apply what I am learning from anatomy books, I have more, but havent scanned them yet, but there are my 50, some of them are dodgy as I was struggling to place muscles under the skin.








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    Crits are coming.

    Been very busy with stuff that's not art related and already noticing I'm losing my touch. Shaping up. Next week I hope.

    First 5 scans are from Quickposes. Some timed, some not. Couple with ballpoint pen too.
    Last 4 scans imagination.










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    Crits later (tomorrow or on Tuesday)

    Here is the second bunch of poses. I tried Loomis figure which has been frightening me for months.
    You will probably kill me for so many pictures.

















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    There we go. Critique!

    At the moment its getting late at night and its Queensday in the Netherlands tomorrow, so the new thread may be a couple hours late.

    Little-Maiden; I've used that site before, great resource. Wish their pictures were bigger though. The absence of faces is something I'm noticing with my own drawings. I realize gesture drawing isn't about details, but if you're doing longer figures... You raise an interesting point with regard to the torso. A referenced body will often deviate from the "norm" or even look slightly out of proportion. In this case it might be the pelvis. Could be wider, considering the length? Can be difficult to locate a proportional error since... well... its related to all other body parts. But doing good! Love the solidity of your Bridgmans.

    AdrianNagorski; I'm completely with you on the opinions of others as compared to your own. Guessing it comes natural with drawing? But some people do have it more than others. I can't seem to like my own work. It's a problem worth thinking about.
    Nice job on this mixture of gestures and studies. I like how you're going for hands and knees. Tough subjects, but satisfying when you pull it off. Is that Hogarth, by the way? Never studied that myself but it looks familiar.

    blu01; Yea, having a sketchbook around here is a great thing. I would't advice anyone just to do anatomy/gesture drawings, I think it's good to do a variety of things. In general, I'd never stop anyone from experimenting.
    Your first referenced gestures are somewhat like contour drawings. After you did Loomis, I'm starting to see more shape. Or perhaps I'm just imagining things. Either way, they look good. Did you notice how Loomis' figures have these 'curves' in the legs? They attach almost to the side of the pelvis, and then move inward as they go down. It was an important observation for me.

    Syle; Looking nice! Again, feel free to attach larger images. Even the numbers are not easy to read. It's not like we lack the space! Perhaps it took a bit of a warmup-time, but those last couple are really nice. Full of energy. Number 18 has a great torso. Not sure if you used ref there, but its a great shape regardless. Number 50 has a leg, and 33 two legs with pretty good foreshortening. You've got some pretty good things going on there. Would be interesting to focus on a longer pose for a change! Test how far you've gotten. I enjoy all these imaginary poses, great work!

    zy; Good point zy. It invites and enables critique.

    MartinC; Quite a lot of work there! Pretty solid silhouettes. These are surprisingly economical, with only a few lines giving you the entire gesture. I'm trying to find something similar with pencil, but it's not working so far. Digital seems useful for that. Nice and clean linework, digital seems to be working fine for you! Any reference on the noses or are they self constructed? I'm noticing most appear to be male noses while the mouths are more female. Either way, solid studies. Thought I saw some small heads in the gestures, but seeing the head studies themselves makes be believe it happens only rarely.

    SamitaChatterjee; Hi and welcome! Yea, there tends to be a warmup-time.. happens often. Some really quick and really loose drawings can help with that. It's true the gesture drawing tool give you the same gestures every now and then, which can be a problem if you're working with a timer. If you don't like this one, there's several alternatives though. For instance this or this. Some of these resources share their material. This one is nice too.
    As for your gestures - you already seem to have some knowledge of anatomy (or very good eyes). These seem like long studies, you'll be surprised how really quick gestures can be a great exercise as well. If you do want to go for long poses, be careful with skipping the hands though!
    Nice work!

    Azimuth; Knees! You might need some practice there. Though I have to say, your gestures look good overall. Perhaps its more of a detail for now. Some things just stand out. For example, the man holding a hand to his head in the bottomleft of the first scan. Good work on the shoulder anatomy. Also, the clothed woman seen from the back holding her arm out (also first scan) has a great sense of form and gesture. That's very well done. You use few, but very solid lines. I like the approach. Teaches confidence. Feel free to experiment though!
    Great to see a longer pose too. Some very subtle work on that arm, I think that was very successful.

    Jaik; Fantastic work on those legs. First some anatomy, then exercises. To me, it always seems a bit as if the upper leg has somewhat of a curve in it. It's not a straight bar of muscle and bone. Perhaps this is because the legs more or less anchor into the side of the pelvis rather than at the bottom. And they then move 'inward'. Which you've done correctly. You've only done anatomy studies of the outer side of the leg, which may have caused some confusion. You've added the sartorius muscle in one of your first studies. The sartorius 'cuts into' the inner side of the leg, creating a very typical recess. You can see this in your last long study (standing, seen from behind). You've done this in some of your own legs, but not always. Tell me if I was a bit vague there. Doing good! very thorough studying.


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    Thanks for the feed back Anthis. Id honestly hardly given a seconds thought to knees ill have to look into them. The clothed woman rear view pose ive come across a couple of times now i like drawing that pose alot, practice .

    I thought i had time to upload the last lot before crits went down. Uploading late anyhow to make 50. Clothed figured are bothering me trying to do more.

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    so just woke up, night shift finishd for the week got a day off
    then school, i think im gonna draw robots or maybe paint with acrylics
    or be lazy LOL . . .. .

    Anthis: those figures are great! even if your rusty still got some fuel in that tank LOL yip it is Hogarth, i like doing those because Bridgman doesn't have a lot of figure drawings and loomis makes my head implode. I think subconsciously we always compare ourselves to our fav/coolest seen art,
    even tho those same artists go thru the same trouble as us, we only see the peak work of others and all of our own mediocrity. i think.


    MartinC: man your skills are epic!!

    sorry guys i'm to lazy to critique, have a on me.

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    Thank you for the welcome, Anthis! I do have somewhat of an understanding of anatomy, I have been trying to get a hang of it for a while. It's been painful and slow, and one of the reasons, I realized, is because I stopped practicing/studying it after a short bout of intense work. So every break, I lose out on the opportunity to build on whatever I did last time.

    I have been terrified of 30/60 second timers, because I did so badly at them the last time I tried. Took your advice and pushed this time. A set of 60 second drawings, and 3 that I did without timers, while trying to keep them as short as I could. I am unhappy about how much the figures lack balance and grace, but what the hey, next time! Thank you for pointing me to the resources, esp characterdesign.com, didnt know about that one.

    Apologies to everyone for lack of feedback from me. I dont feel I can contribute very constructively in critiques at the moment. But it's really nice to go through the posts!

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    Here are some crits.

    Little-Maiden: Poses look very good, I like shading of your digis and pencil stuff too. Colour give them some magic and unusal originality. Great Bridgeman's studies. I usually wonder how you can scan that with so good quality. I am loosing it, so I take photos. Do you use some special settings?

    AdrianNagorski: Really don't know what to say...your poses seem to me very circular, i think you probably use rounded forms in your second post. On the other side good studies this week, especially hand and knees

    Anthis: Thanks for crit. Yes I noticed Loomis's landmarks and plan to learn it. I need to draw variety of things. Maybe I can make a list of things which I need to learn and learn every day something different.
    I really love your poses. How did you learn drawing them from imagination? drawing a lot and studing Loomis, I assume.

    Sorry guys, for others I have nothing, I did't know what to say or Anthis said it before.

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