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    I decided to focus on legs for the whole lot, trying to apply what I am learning from anatomy books, I have more, but havent scanned them yet, but there are my 50, some of them are dodgy as I was struggling to place muscles under the skin.
    Spartan Camp #221 - 50 gestures + Optional "Free Choice Anatomical Feature Study"
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    Crits are coming.

    Been very busy with stuff that's not art related and already noticing I'm losing my touch. Shaping up. Next week I hope.

    First 5 scans are from Quickposes. Some timed, some not. Couple with ballpoint pen too.
    Last 4 scans imagination.

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    Crits later (tomorrow or on Tuesday)

    Here is the second bunch of poses. I tried Loomis figure which has been frightening me for months.
    You will probably kill me for so many pictures.

    Spartan Camp #221 - 50 gestures + Optional "Free Choice Anatomical Feature Study"
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    There we go. Critique!

    At the moment its getting late at night and its Queensday in the Netherlands tomorrow, so the new thread may be a couple hours late.

    Little-Maiden; I've used that site before, great resource. Wish their pictures were bigger though. The absence of faces is something I'm noticing with my own drawings. I realize gesture drawing isn't about details, but if you're doing longer figures... You raise an interesting point with regard to the torso. A referenced body will often deviate from the "norm" or even look slightly out of proportion. In this case it might be the pelvis. Could be wider, considering the length? Can be difficult to locate a proportional error since... well... its related to all other body parts. But doing good! Love the solidity of your Bridgmans.

    AdrianNagorski; I'm completely with you on the opinions of others as compared to your own. Guessing it comes natural with drawing? But some people do have it more than others. I can't seem to like my own work. It's a problem worth thinking about.
    Nice job on this mixture of gestures and studies. I like how you're going for hands and knees. Tough subjects, but satisfying when you pull it off. Is that Hogarth, by the way? Never studied that myself but it looks familiar.

    blu01; Yea, having a sketchbook around here is a great thing. I would't advice anyone just to do anatomy/gesture drawings, I think it's good to do a variety of things. In general, I'd never stop anyone from experimenting.
    Your first referenced gestures are somewhat like contour drawings. After you did Loomis, I'm starting to see more shape. Or perhaps I'm just imagining things. Either way, they look good. Did you notice how Loomis' figures have these 'curves' in the legs? They attach almost to the side of the pelvis, and then move inward as they go down. It was an important observation for me.

    Syle; Looking nice! Again, feel free to attach larger images. Even the numbers are not easy to read. It's not like we lack the space! Perhaps it took a bit of a warmup-time, but those last couple are really nice. Full of energy. Number 18 has a great torso. Not sure if you used ref there, but its a great shape regardless. Number 50 has a leg, and 33 two legs with pretty good foreshortening. You've got some pretty good things going on there. Would be interesting to focus on a longer pose for a change! Test how far you've gotten. I enjoy all these imaginary poses, great work!

    zy; Good point zy. It invites and enables critique.

    MartinC; Quite a lot of work there! Pretty solid silhouettes. These are surprisingly economical, with only a few lines giving you the entire gesture. I'm trying to find something similar with pencil, but it's not working so far. Digital seems useful for that. Nice and clean linework, digital seems to be working fine for you! Any reference on the noses or are they self constructed? I'm noticing most appear to be male noses while the mouths are more female. Either way, solid studies. Thought I saw some small heads in the gestures, but seeing the head studies themselves makes be believe it happens only rarely.

    SamitaChatterjee; Hi and welcome! Yea, there tends to be a warmup-time.. happens often. Some really quick and really loose drawings can help with that. It's true the gesture drawing tool give you the same gestures every now and then, which can be a problem if you're working with a timer. If you don't like this one, there's several alternatives though. For instance this or this. Some of these resources share their material. This one is nice too.
    As for your gestures - you already seem to have some knowledge of anatomy (or very good eyes). These seem like long studies, you'll be surprised how really quick gestures can be a great exercise as well. If you do want to go for long poses, be careful with skipping the hands though!
    Nice work!

    Azimuth; Knees! You might need some practice there. Though I have to say, your gestures look good overall. Perhaps its more of a detail for now. Some things just stand out. For example, the man holding a hand to his head in the bottomleft of the first scan. Good work on the shoulder anatomy. Also, the clothed woman seen from the back holding her arm out (also first scan) has a great sense of form and gesture. That's very well done. You use few, but very solid lines. I like the approach. Teaches confidence. Feel free to experiment though!
    Great to see a longer pose too. Some very subtle work on that arm, I think that was very successful.

    Jaik; Fantastic work on those legs. First some anatomy, then exercises. To me, it always seems a bit as if the upper leg has somewhat of a curve in it. It's not a straight bar of muscle and bone. Perhaps this is because the legs more or less anchor into the side of the pelvis rather than at the bottom. And they then move 'inward'. Which you've done correctly. You've only done anatomy studies of the outer side of the leg, which may have caused some confusion. You've added the sartorius muscle in one of your first studies. The sartorius 'cuts into' the inner side of the leg, creating a very typical recess. You can see this in your last long study (standing, seen from behind). You've done this in some of your own legs, but not always. Tell me if I was a bit vague there. Doing good! very thorough studying.

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    Thanks for the feed back Anthis. Id honestly hardly given a seconds thought to knees ill have to look into them. The clothed woman rear view pose ive come across a couple of times now i like drawing that pose alot, practice .

    I thought i had time to upload the last lot before crits went down. Uploading late anyhow to make 50. Clothed figured are bothering me trying to do more.
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    so just woke up, night shift finishd for the week got a day off
    then school, i think im gonna draw robots or maybe paint with acrylics
    or be lazy LOL . . .. .

    Anthis: those figures are great! even if your rusty still got some fuel in that tank LOL yip it is Hogarth, i like doing those because Bridgman doesn't have a lot of figure drawings and loomis makes my head implode. I think subconsciously we always compare ourselves to our fav/coolest seen art,
    even tho those same artists go thru the same trouble as us, we only see the peak work of others and all of our own mediocrity. i think.


    MartinC: man your skills are epic!!

    sorry guys i'm to lazy to critique, have a on me.
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    Thank you for the welcome, Anthis! I do have somewhat of an understanding of anatomy, I have been trying to get a hang of it for a while. It's been painful and slow, and one of the reasons, I realized, is because I stopped practicing/studying it after a short bout of intense work. So every break, I lose out on the opportunity to build on whatever I did last time.

    I have been terrified of 30/60 second timers, because I did so badly at them the last time I tried. Took your advice and pushed this time. A set of 60 second drawings, and 3 that I did without timers, while trying to keep them as short as I could. I am unhappy about how much the figures lack balance and grace, but what the hey, next time! Thank you for pointing me to the resources, esp characterdesign.com, didnt know about that one.

    Apologies to everyone for lack of feedback from me. I dont feel I can contribute very constructively in critiques at the moment. But it's really nice to go through the posts!
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    Here are some crits.

    Little-Maiden: Poses look very good, I like shading of your digis and pencil stuff too. Colour give them some magic and unusal originality. Great Bridgeman's studies. I usually wonder how you can scan that with so good quality. I am loosing it, so I take photos. Do you use some special settings?

    AdrianNagorski: Really don't know what to say...your poses seem to me very circular, i think you probably use rounded forms in your second post. On the other side good studies this week, especially hand and knees

    Anthis: Thanks for crit. Yes I noticed Loomis's landmarks and plan to learn it. I need to draw variety of things. Maybe I can make a list of things which I need to learn and learn every day something different.
    I really love your poses. How did you learn drawing them from imagination? drawing a lot and studing Loomis, I assume.

    Sorry guys, for others I have nothing, I did't know what to say or Anthis said it before.
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