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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    My face every time I see DA furries.

    and when you're happily browsing the art and then all of a sudden
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    Inflation porn


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    Yep. Let's just say that browsing DA by "newest" is, uh, educational...

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    Well it's obvious who all doesn't use their mature content filters.

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    "Here’s what I ACTUALLY found I spent most of that 3 years doing:

    Talking about being a better artist with friends. (guilty)
    Spending hours looking over awesome artwork for 'inspiration' (guilty)
    Spending hours reading forums. (guilty)
    Spending hours surfing the net. (guilty)
    Hanging out with friends.
    Spending hours playing Games.
    Having a life. "
    Yeah. Right. The perfection would be closing yourself in room without windows, having no life and painting head on black background for 10 years till your brain looses most of the neural circuits. Then you could move into very small box with laptop and intuos tablet inside. Then they would give that box a USB cable and every time they connect the box to a computer a new cute girl portrait on black background could be downloaded as tiff file. Perfect fusion of man and the machine. The box with artist living inside would be big hit on the market. Sort of like render farm but for 2d art

    Regarding MindCandyMan. I don't want to discredit him as an artist (he was really huge inspiration for me too) but you gotta keep in mind that even though he made really huge progress, he focused mostly on observational academic drawing. That's where he got results.
    There's really no one ultimate success in drawing or painting in same way as you can't go to all places at once.

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    Most of the artists on Da that i like i come across by other sites that i see an image with the link to Da and follow, other than than maybe trough favs.Though I kinda dislike how some awesome people get push to the corner because of the popularity system, theres good images with little favs and crappy ones with a ton but


    The sparkledogs, furry thing, i donīt get it, it doesnīt come up for me, because
    1) - I donīt browse those categories or use those search tags
    2) - I dont follow those kinds of artists or groups with that art
    3)- i donīt spend much time on the new deviation thing, might as well got to CGhub and look at the newest there ( bread to the baker)

    You make your own experience, if even with all the choices you have you see yourself drowned in furry porn, lets face it, maybe thats what you wanted all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post

    Regarding MindCandyMan. I don't want to discredit him as an artist (he was really huge inspiration for me too) but you gotta keep in mind that even though he made really huge progress, he focused mostly on observational academic drawing. That's where he got results.
    There's really no one ultimate success in drawing or painting in same way as you can't go to all places at once.
    Sounds like a glance of his sketchbook. I see him doing fantasy drawings too. He later changed his focus as he drew more. So I don't understand this discredit issue. Some started drawing cartoon characters and totally change their focus. Big Deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Sounds like glance of his sketchbook. I see him doing fantasy drawings too. He later changed his focus as he drew more. So I don't understand this discredit issue. Some started drawing cartoon characters and totally change their focus. Big Deal.
    Ah, ok. I stopped following his progress long while ago and it was mostly his sketchbook. What I'm just saying is that even though you can learn something fast, it's very narrowed focus on chosen subject/range of subjects. There are still many other challanges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDSart View Post
    You make your own experience, if even with all the choices you have you see yourself drowned in furry porn, lets face it, maybe thats what you wanted all along.
    Uuuuuhhhhhhh...... well, there's a nice sweeping generalization, thanks.

    All you have to do to see eye-searing crap is look at the main page by "newest", or do a search for ANY subject matter, no matter how innocuous. Plus, with the amount of miscategorization that goes on, you can run into weird crap in places where you would never expect it (like, say, furry porn drawings in the stained glass gallery.) I don't think this qualifies as "trying" to see crap because you "wanted to all along."

    Personally, I prefer to browse by "newest" because sometimes under-exposed but surprisingly good artists show up that I wouldn't have seen otherwise. Finding those makes it worth putting up with the crap.

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    Deviantart does have it's uses. If I want to feel good about my work I can go there and look at all of the people who have saved my work to their favorites. I try to ignore the fact that roughly half of those are minors who save Everything regardless of quality. I can post a painting and I know my watchers will have a chance to see it. I don't know if any of them really bother to or not, but I pretend that they do. Sometimes they even give me llamas which I think is a little silly, but at least they like my work.
    If I want to feel bad about my work I come here. I'm here much more often.

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    Isnīt there a mature content filter in the corner?


    I have refreshed the "newest" page for a few minutes with the filter off now, the most mature thing was a woman toppless and some bikini anime girls, That hardly offends my sensibilities, between who knows how many dozens and dozens of pictures.

    In fact i clicked the the topples girls picture to see if any of the photos would make good ref, turns out thats a seriously good side of DA, it has a ton of stock to do studies from. Iīd say DA has a pretty good system going on considering the bulk it handles, better to take advantage of the things its good for.


    Sorry if i phrased anything bluntly , but what i meant wasnīt "theres no such thing on Da" , nor "never such things show up while browsing Da". What i meant was that never have i seen myself drowned in that stuff because if i want to stay clear of it theres at least some options at hand. implying that everything in Da is furry porn and sparkledogs and that it is impossible to keep a distance from it can also count as a sweeping generalization.

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    I have refreshed the "newest" page for a few minutes with the filter off now, the most mature thing was a woman toppless and some bikini anime girls, That hardly offends my sensibilities, between who knows how many dozens and dozens of pictures.
    And yet I just went to 'newest' and saw 5 sparkle dogs and 1 topless furry. This was with the mature-filter on. QueenGwenevere is right. If you browse by newest, you will always see sparkledogs (at the very least some kind of dog character), thinly disguised porn (furry or not), anime, and sometimes ponies. This is precisely why I stopped browsing by newest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDSart View Post
    Isnīt there a mature content filter in the corner?
    Yeah, but that blocks a lot of stuff I do want to see (including some of my own deviations...)

    . implying that everything in Da is furry porn and sparkledogs and that it is impossible to keep a distance from it can also count as a sweeping generalization.
    Yo, nobody said "everything" is sparkledog furry porn. But it is a fact that if you nose around on DA long enough, you WILL stumble across some ghastly items eventually. (And ponies. So many ponies.) How often depends on how much time you spend on DA. And what time you browse. (3:00 - 4:00 am my time seems to be the freakiest time for some reason...)

    It's sort of inevitable on a site that huge, really. You're going to get all sorts. You just gotta take the good with the ghastly.

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    Thats what i mention i usually stick to the newest section of cghub or sbs here, also tumblr updates with more stuff that i can even look at.

    I use the parts i like about the site, avoid what i donīt like, i have enough options to use the resources as best interest me.

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    yup, not to mention the people that don't put the mature content filter on their works.

    But like Queen says, take the good with the ghastly.

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    People often take the mature content filters off because you have to click to see the image even if you have the filter setting off. I was messing around with zombie comics ages ago which had some things that would be considered mature but hell if I want to have to turn the page, scroll over and click the 'click to see' button over and over as it was very annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Aeterna View Post
    I am currently 21 years and 4 months old, my drawings are still like noob garbage and I feel like I'm going to be forced living as a burger-flipping someone.
    If it makes you feel any better, I'm 22 and I envy your skill. Fortunately, both of us still have many years left in our lives.

    Everything is better with dinosaurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    You should continue doing all those things.
    But also work a lot.
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    Yeah. Right. The perfection would be closing yourself in room without windows, having no life and painting head on black background for 10 years till your brain looses most of the neural circuits. ...
    Since you are quoting me, ...
    Yes I agree? I didn't tick "have a life" as guilty for a reason. I don't play games anymore than the odd hour in a month, so that didn't apply anyway.
    It was just a mere reminder that I often spend too much on things "related to art" but not on actually doing it.

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    What motivates me [...] everyone that can proof you don't have to be a lunatic living in your car eating canvas and licking brushes because anything else wouldn't be 'true dedication'.
    I don't care what nutters say about 'art or life'. I personally think that if you feel more fulfilled by working 16 hours locked away in a room, rather than have a life AND work hours, you have a problem. Just to come back to MindCandyMan's sb, who said that he felt burnt out after all those long sessions, and go take a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MXJSPH View Post
    To clarify: what I mean is that when other people's work make you feel negative, you'll seize up. There's a difference between being in awe and saying "wow" and being in awe and being paralysed by whats before you. I guess intimidate was a bit too vague.

    I've known a few people who have seen some amazing work by peers or old masters and are simply paralysed by it, regress, and eventually not produce anything because of the whole dumb "what's the point?" feeling (re: original post).

    Thats Darwin for you I guess.

    I personally think that if you feel more fulfilled by working 16 hours locked away in a room, rather than have a life AND work hours, you have a problem.
    work hours suck. takes me 5 hours to get warmed up, then another 12 to anything worthwhile. sometimes i stay awake for days, then sleep for 24 hours. i love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    work hours suck. takes me 5 hours to get warmed up, then another 12 to anything worthwhile. sometimes i stay awake for days, then sleep for 24 hours. i love it.
    Now I look at your avatar image and I wonder: is that a drawing implement in your hand, or something you are smoking in order to stay awake? :-)

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    Some of the excuses in the thread reminds me of the difference between sports fans and actual players.

    The sports fans want to weigh in on how a sport should be played etc and quite sure they'd love to be the players...but keep making excuses one or the other on not becoming one. Maybe the players were just too stupid to make excuses and did what they wanted. I guess the sports fans are more in love with the idea of playing the game than ...well actually playing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    Now I look at your avatar image and I wonder: is that a drawing implement in your hand, or something you are smoking in order to stay awake? :-)
    Mickey Rourke is a fine draftsman, it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slothboy3000 View Post
    Mickey Rourke is a fine draftsman, it's true.
    That's Mickey Rourke? In that case I guess it is something he's smoking. :-)

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    I got woken up in a field last night by a cow headbutting me. I thought i was being attacked by aliens. i appear to have skated home asleep covered in cow shit. my secret? absinth and red bull. i call it analogue synth. its amazing try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    I got woken up in a field last night by a cow headbutting me. I thought i was being attacked by aliens. i appear to have skated home asleep covered in cow shit. my secret? absinth and red bull. i call it analogue synth. its amazing try it.
    I thought absinthe's illegal in most jurisdictions nowadays (like virtually everything else)? Mind you don't become absinthe-minded...



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    i love that ron english illustration; its wrapped round the corner of the bpx so if you put it on a shelf and turn it 45 degrees out of parallel with the wall and look at it from accross the room, it looks exactly like a 3d hologram. the way his face is all merged reminds me of salvia. that is crazy stuff, makes absinthe seem like 7up, no joke!

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    I didn't know that's a Ron English illustration. Found it somewhere on the web long ago. I'm quite a fan of English's work.

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    I think that a lot of people posting on dA are just kids having fun with a hobby so I don't cringe when I see sparkledogs or furries. I drew a bunch of stuff when I was younger that I am sure people would rage about but it's not like I was saying "look at my amazing contribution to the art world."

    I'm not interested in MLP fanart but I am not going to be disgusted that it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJacks View Post
    I think that a lot of people posting on dA are just kids having fun with a hobby so I don't cringe when I see sparkledogs or furries. I drew a bunch of stuff when I was younger that I am sure people would rage about but it's not like I was saying "look at my amazing contribution to the art world."
    Yea, this is precisely what DA is. I actually kind of like sparkledogs because of how bad some of them can be (and how they can be endlessly parodied). As for furries, I never really understood why representing yourself as an animal on the internet is considered weird. It's not any different from representing yourself as a comic book hero or fan character from your favorite anime. Heck, most furries don't even act like animals, they just choose an animal to represent them. Even the whole sexual aspect of the fandom isn't that strange when comparing it to something like hentai, the slash community, and every other fandom in existence. It only gets hilarious/annoying when they take their hobby seriously and proclaim "I AM THE DA VINCI OF FURRIES AND SPARKLEDOGS! NO ONE CAN CHALLENGE MY ARTISTIC MIGHT!"

    Then everyone laughs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    sometimes i stay awake for days, then sleep for 24 hours. i love it.
    Let's make a club, i too love it! Still wanna try some absinthe, probably take one sip every hour or so and get even more fucked up lol. Mixes good with the other stuff i'm sure

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    Well, I can understand your worries about your skill and your future, I am 25 (imagine that) and my drawings are on a similar level because I never practiced very seriously over a long period of time.

    You shouldn't be jealous, this never leads to anywhere. Maybe those "kids" have started earlier but they have also put tons of hours and work in it, they deserve success like anyone else.

    Maybe you have to give up those thoughts of the big break through that will come someday when you finally are good enough or enter pro level or whatever.
    This moment probably will never come and it doesn't need to.

    I learned about this fact last year when I just had given up drawing. Well, pretty much given up everything, studies, friends, myself. Didn't know why I was on this earth, what I should do and resigned completely, so much I won't even write here. Then suddenly stuff became clear - maybe there will be no big moment when I have achieved my goals and can allow to call myself artist, or writer, or game designer, or whatever I am trying to do. Even if I manage to be successful, even if there's some kind of break through, there will be a life after it. And in this life after it - guess what will come next? You will have to sit down AGAIN, with your work and your fears and troubles and your life and thoughts and all the daily grind. And again and again and again.

    This will BE your life. Period. If you are not willing to take it, do something else.

    As soon as I learned this, I felt completely chilled. There will be no sudden change, god won't come down here on earth to make me an artist in personal only because I am so desperate, then I can start sit down and work as well right now. Stop the drama and childish behaviour with complaining about what I don't have and want and just deal with the stuff that is there already. So ironically this moment when I learned there will be no break through kinda was a break through, lol.

    What you are afraid of is something I tell myself to calm me down. There can't go anything wrong in my life anymore because as long as I have myself and a pencil and time to draw everything is alright. Even if I have to take two side jobs for a living. Being an artist results in ... being an artist. It's as simple as that.

    I hope you get what I mean. There's a place for everyone I guess and even if it seems as if everybody is more talented than you - that's the internet effect. Rely on your own contacts, friends and opportunities. You never know from which directions chances will come and there are many ways to live the life you imagine. For example, if I look here I can't draw for sh** and if I try to get a job at a big game company someone here is applying for I have no chance, but in my neighborhood and family I am the best drawer around and maybe someone here will offer me something, maybe it's a colleague of my dad or a friend of my brothers girlfriend and maybe he knows another guy interested in and even if his company is only small it's a beginning and blablabla.

    You should just base your luck on something that is in your hands and what you can do regularly.

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