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    Picasso painted this when he was 14 years old.

    So many child prodigies, do I even have a chance?

    Should we stop painting?
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    Learning to create images, art or otherwise, is not always about physically doing the act.

    Learning to think is also apart of the process. Learning to analyze is apart of the process. Learning to understand the why of the process and why this works and that does not in an image is apart of learning.

    So physically doing the work is not the only thing of importance, but seldom emphazised.
    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Aeterna View Post
    Thanks a lot to anyone who answered to this post.

    Well, with "pros" i do of course not mean people who sell some art for a few dollars. I just might give some examples:

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=140145 18 years
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=140145 . 19 y (you migh know him from the CA Sketchbooks)
    http://maria-menshikova.deviantart.com/ - 19 y

    These are child prodigies in my opinion. not to mention artists like jana schirmer, algenpfleger or Charlie Bowater who also had been amazing at a young age.

    And, the reason why I want to become good at art:
    Drawing is my passion; its what i love to do. I gave up on many, many things to improve my skills: Social life; I have one but way less then before i started the practice.
    Playing my favorite PC games. Writing.
    because illustrating is my vocation and i want to do it as an occupation until i die - or at least until i'm not able to hold a pencil anymore.

    It's not about fame or something...no way. its all about what i want for my life and my future.
    after reading your comments it feels like a little bit of the pressure is gone because many of you brought me to think about my fears.
    i am a person who tries to be optimistic in every area of the life and of course i never give up working.
    There are many, many ways to be "good at art". If you look around you it's very obvious that not all art is highly-rendered dramatic digital art. People make all kinds of art -- trendy vector fashion illustrations, simple cartoons, crazy collages, disturbing ink art, freaky underground comics art and so on and so on.

    It's your job to find out what kind of artist you are and where your audience is hiding.

    To paraphrase Alexandro Jodorowsky, "Good for Algenpfleger to be Algenpfleger, not for me." I am not some other artist, I will never be some other artist, so I'd better master whatever the fuck I am and nail things to the wall with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yochanan View Post
    Picasso painted this when he was 14 years old.

    Should we stop painting?
    Again, he started early and drew a LOT. If you look at his early childhood drawings, they look like any childhood drawings. He started from square one like everyone else. It's not magic. It's called "practice".

    Also, frankly, in the grand scheme of things, that example is a rather mediocre painting, taking it by itself and not grading it by the artist's age... As are most of the examples of so-called "child prodigy" art given so far. It doesn't serve much purpose to look up to work that's mediocre but "so much better than me at age X!!!"

    Better to look at the best of the best and aim to be better than that.

    Or better still, aim to be better than you, wherever you're at now.

    And then practice.
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    Lux_Aeterna, I've felt the same way and I still do. The way I like to look at it (and a bit of a reaction to what yochanan said about wasting time, and having fun drawing) is that ultimately, it all comes down to priorities. Almost every person in this thread has a point, but this is based on their priorities. Flashback has the priority to push everything aside and draw 10 hours a day. Like him, there are a multitude of driven people here and out there who want to be superstars when they're 20, and manage to drive themselves to push aside everything else to draw with every spare second they have.

    I myself am a person with many interests, curiosities, needs and principles, only it happens that the largest part of it is focused on 2D visual art. However, I also want to be able to play the violin, speak Turkish, spend time with my friends and family and catch a few rays of sunshine while reading a book, make sure that my grades in school stay up and sleep (at least) 8 hours a night.

    The point im making is, if you want to become a pro at drawing asap, then you should probably listen to the advice of the people telling you to draw every second you can. However, don't stress out about not drawing if you don't want to (and not wanting to, I think, is different from not having the discipline to go through the motions and draw the shaded cubes and spheres), because if drawing doesn't make you happy or feel fulfilled, it's not worth it anyway.

    I'd like to add that I also think that with all creative processes (so especially when working on an illustration or something similar, though I also think studying anatomy and composition needs to click in your head at some point) you need to give your subconscious some time to process the creative problem you're dealing with, and doing something else might provide you with new inspiration, or allow your problem to fall to the back of your mind and let it rummage about there, where it can be solved. There's a few talks on this that are part of the TED conferences (ted.com), though I can't seem to find them right now (Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's talk about flow is a classic I always like to refer to though, you can go from there).

    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint
    - If you think there are fifteen year old art prodigies on DA you are doomed to mediocrity anyway, so yeah, its too late for you.
    Aren't there a lot of people who post their work both here and on DA? I kind of dislike this elitist generalization that everything and everyone on DA must be inferior to art posted here, since it might very well be posted at both websites. I do agree that the target audience of both websites differ, but the fact that the majority of DA likes to draw anime kittens doesn't mean that there aren't any serious artists on there. It's a place to show your work as much as any place on the internet, of not for harsh critique then maybe for the pick-me-up that everyone needs once in a while - and I have noticed that if you offer serious critique yourself, you attract the people who will do the same for you, regardless of the domain name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redystra View Post
    - Want inspiration? Go outside, you life in Germany and you guys have more nature in your country then I have in The Netherlands, I wish I could swap.
    No nature in the Netherlands? I'm just going to assume you live in Breda since you seemed to describe the IGAD course, and I can tell you there's lots of nature 1 km away from the faculty. (Just no mountains, boo =p) If you don't live in Breda.. There's lots of nature if you just take a train out of Rotterdam or Amsterdam.
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    This thread has made me realize that I'm now in the twilight of my career.

    Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    possibility is not certainty.

    I certainly don't need 8 hours of sleep.

    All I said is that it is possible to do it.
    Fair enough.

    I still agree with LordLouis' post regarding MindCandyMan's thread and how he was a unique example with certain "luxuries" that many people do not have.

    It's just not realistic for most people (at least those who work full time jobs) to have that much time to draw.

    At the end of the day though, you gotta make due with what you have and I think that 4-6 hours of drawing per day is still good enough to improve at a fast rate....at least that's what I got from Magic Man's sketchbook. Talk about a prodigy...he became pro 6 months after taking art seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    Again, he started early and drew a LOT. If you look at his early childhood drawings, they look like any childhood drawings. He started from square one like everyone else. It's not magic. It's called "practice".

    Also, frankly, in the grand scheme of things, that example is a rather mediocre painting, taking it by itself and not grading it by the artist's age... As are most of the examples of so-called "child prodigy" art given so far. It doesn't serve much purpose to look up to work that's mediocre but "so much better than me at age X!!!"

    Better to look at the best of the best and aim to be better than that.

    Or better still, aim to be better than you, wherever you're at now.

    And then practice.
    It was a rhetorical question. My point was exactly that it's utterly irrelevant how good someone else is at a certain age, and unless your income depends on it, the skill of other people in general should be irrelevant. If it matters, then people need to change their attitude or find something they actually enjoy doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rengin View Post

    Aren't there a lot of people who post their work both here and on DA? I kind of dislike this elitist generalization that everything and everyone on DA must be inferior to art posted here, since it might very well be posted at both websites. I do agree that the target audience of both websites differ, but the fact that the majority of DA likes to draw anime kittens doesn't mean that there aren't any serious artists on there. It's a place to show your work as much as any place on the internet, of not for harsh critique then maybe for the pick-me-up that everyone needs once in a while - and I have noticed that if you offer serious critique yourself, you attract the people who will do the same for you, regardless of the domain name.
    I was very clear in what I said and I stand by it. Holding up 15 year olds as prodigies is just ignorant and shows such a lack of art knowledge in general its laughable. So they are prodigies? Compared to what? Back it up with some facts and some proof you know what you are talking about and have an understanding of the art world in general.
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    I can enter the main page on Da right now and i´m sure the popular deviations would be some girls showing her cleavage or some cat picture with 12, 000 comments, so there´s that. Its a social network and social networks operate on different standards.

    And even if there´s kids with skill, who cares? thinking on those bases is just finding excuses to bruise your ego, no one´s here coming at you judging you because of your age
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDSart View Post
    I can enter the main page on Da right now and i´m sure the popular deviations would be some girls showing her cleavage or some cat picture with 12, 000 comments, so there´s that.
    Ponies. I guarantee that if you view the main page by "popular" you will get ponies. I guarantee that if you view by "newest", you will also get ponies.

    Miscategorized ponies.

    And yeah, sure, there's some good stuff buried on the site, but the overall site standards are about as low as you can get. So judging by who looks good compared to DA standards or judging by who's popular on DA is pretty naive.

    I have yet to find an "amazing fifteen year old prodigy" on DA who was truly amazing by real-world professional standards.
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    I worked a full time job and came home and painted for 8 hours a night. I painted all day on weekends for five years. If you want something you have to work for it. I got rid of my tv and quit playing games until I made it as an artist. If you believe you can do it, what's it to you to give something up for a few years?
    But see most people hedge their bets and allow outside things to decide for them. Its the easiest thing in the world is to not follow your dream, to sell short have a bunch of interests and not decide, and just fit in or care what other people think.You either have the courage of your convictions or you don't, and no one cares what you choose.

    Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.
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