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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    Well if making art to you is the same as making shoes on a factory line or cell phones, then the profession is still doomed even if someone overseas does it.
    Ever watch "The Simpsons?"

    Wanna use your hard earned skills to work as an AD for them?

    Can you speak Korean?

    Go fer it. . .


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    I hope this is a flash in a pan rather than a virus waiting to infect other parts of the industry...

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    What would you say about art schools charging students (as part of a tuition) for an internship working at a professional environment helping to create an original product (games, films, shorts, etc.)? Would this also be considered an exploitation? Or does the experience gained from working with professionals give the students advantage in the long run? What if the studios keep using new generation of students to work on their projects for free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyunjae View Post
    What would you say about art schools charging students (as part of a tuition) for an internship working at a professional environment helping to create an original product (games, films, shorts, etc.)? Would this also be considered an exploitation? Or does the experience gained from working with professionals give the students advantage in the long run? What if the studios keep using new generation of students to work on their projects for free?
    "The Labor Department's six criteria for a legal unpaid internship are:

    1. The internship, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to training which would be given in an educational environment;

    2. The internship experience is for the benefit of the intern;

    3. The intern does not displace regular employees, but works under close supervision of existing staff;

    4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the intern; and on occasion its operations may actually be impeded;

    5. The intern is not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the internship; and

    6. The employer and the intern understand that the intern is not entitled to wages for the time spent in the internship. "

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    "The Labor Department is also very clear that while clerical skills may be applicable to other jobs, any productive labor should be paid under minimum wage laws. "

    full article here: http://education-portal.com/articles...ternships.html

    Some employers are better about it than others. DD has outright stated they plan to have up to 30% of their workforce be students. I'm curious to see if there will be a federal ruling on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineris View Post
    Well, this seems like someone who has never had to use student labour for anything. I don't know how he plans to produce anything with a workforce of people you can barely trust to tie their own shoes in the morning, which is going to rotate out completely every 2-4 years.
    The cool thing about (most) students is you don't have to see them very often. They show up about 40% of the time they're supposed to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    Ever watch "The Simpsons?"

    Wanna use your hard earned skills to work as an AD for them?

    Can you speak Korean?

    Go fer it. . .
    I really hope the Simpsons isn't your benchmark for pro-level American animation. We haven't sunk that far yet .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidharth Chaturvedi View Post
    I really hope the Simpsons isn't your benchmark for pro-level American animation. We haven't sunk that far yet .
    Crissakes. . . that show just won't die!

    I think it started back in the '50s. . . .

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    Well a lot of modern day TV animation is sadly subcontracted to Korea. Avatar, Young Justice is a new series where I like the animation, just searched it, Korea lol.

    Hell one of my favorite cartoons ever the old Batman the animated series was done anywhere but the U.S. I found

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcQ8E3y7-Uc


    Most of it is conceived here but processed elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    The cool thing about (most) students is you don't have to see them very often. They show up about 40% of the time they're supposed to.
    Well it's hard to go places when your shoes are untied. The hangover probably doesn't help either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    Well a lot of modern day TV animation is sadly subcontracted to Korea. Avatar, Young Justice is a new series where I like the animation, just searched it, Korea lol.

    Hell one of my favorite cartoons ever the old Batman the animated series was done anywhere but the U.S. I found

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcQ8E3y7-Uc


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    The scutwork of TV animation (in-betweening, ink and paint, etc) has been outsourced to Asia since at least the '70s.

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    Never studied anything about animation or it's processes, growing up I just thought "Oh it's batman he was created here, must be made here".

    Is the initial line work at least animated at the original studio? Because from the Batman video it looks like the entire appearance just completely changed, lines and how it's inked, painted etc.

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    So does that mean that we're at the point where it's not financially feasible to do any commercial animation in the U.S. or have we been there for awhile? Movies produced by large studios (Disney,Pixar, Dreamworks) seem to be the one exception.

    I should also add that I don't really like what they're doing either but I've had to do the same thing to get where I am now. So I understand why students would still try to take advantage of this and why studios would create a set up like this. Risky but potentially beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reutte View Post
    So does that mean that we're at the point where it's not financially feasible to do any commercial animation in the U.S. or have we been there for awhile? Movies produced by large studios (Disney,Pixar, Dreamworks) seem to be the one exception.

    There's a fair amount of CG and stop motion animation done for television within the states. It's just traditional 2d animation that isn't viable to produce in the states on TV budgets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncov View Post
    There's a fair amount of CG and stop motion animation done for television within the states. It's just traditional 2d animation that isn't viable to produce in the states on TV budgets.
    What productions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    Is the initial line work at least animated at the original studio? Because from the Batman video it looks like the entire appearance just completely changed, lines and how it's inked, painted etc.
    If you're interested on that, I could recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Masters.../dp/1893905306 (as well as Dini's book too I'd guess)
    It talks quite a bit of the actual studio/animation stuff that was going on during the series and differences between them. I don't remember if your exact question was answered or how though, but it's still quite interesting book for some insight.
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