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Thread: Artistic Integrity
March 27th, 2012 #27
"I laid out my premise clearly; its about control, artistic input, and the type of work you accept"
"I think a lack of artistic integrity is working in another living artistís style for money or as a cheaper replacement."
Whereas lots of other people think that's absolutely absurd and that you often have to work within the existing house style.
"And maybe we have found that illusive difference between an artist and an illustrator/designer/concept artist. As artist must have integrity or she/he is not an artist? "
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March 27th, 2012 #28
I turned down an offer of work the other day on principle. First off I was too busy anyway, but it was from an Evangelical Christian organisation in the States. Perfectly polite legitimate and apparently easy job to do, but I have actually no desire to work for someone or some group I don't empathise or agree with. Quite why they picked me is bizarre: my work doesn't really scream out religious sympathies. Some jobs I'm ambivalent about, and weigh those up on the spur of the moment. Having said that, the group of animators I once worked with did a version of the Jesus story... my position at the time was less open to arbitration though...
I suppose negotiating ones integrity kind of diminishes by definition, but like everything, there are greater and lesser evils therein.
On another note, I tried to read 'The Fountainhead', and found it ever so dreary, I had to give up. The only Ayn Rand book I made it through was 'Anthem', probably because it's short and there isn't enough time to be 'drearied out'. The problem with Rand's style of writing is that it feels like the plot is secondary to any ideas, which of course is her philosophy, so characters feel shoehorned in, and mere vehicles. As a result they feel shallow and unsympathetic.
March 27th, 2012 #29
Going back all the way to watercolor architectural illustrations I did in the 70's, I've never worked for a company that had a 'House Style" that I had to mimic. On the contrary, agents worked with multiple artists who would get the job based on their style that a client picked out of the agents book.
March 27th, 2012 #30
"When I look at small ad campains, books and RPG cards, magazines and comics I don't see a house style anywhere."
Youre not looking hard enough, all magazines have extremely strict graphic design house styles that must be adhered to, were likely originated by a very expensive pro and are now used by the internal art team making their layouts.
DP i get your point, you dont like the idea of people working to emulate the style of other, more eminent artists and designers, but like you say, times are tough, and I wonder if youre ethical lines would be redrawn if you were hungry and were worried your landlord might kick you out.
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March 27th, 2012 #31
Now, if I want Rand philosophy I just listen to my Rush albulms.-)
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Art is a religion. One of its tenets is Artistic Integrity.
Making a living is a non-ideological necessity.
Many artists, out of necessity, fall away from the religion.
At least Icarus tried!
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March 27th, 2012 #36
Well, it's pretty unlikely you'll ever see me illustrate Captain Bigdick's Adventures in Rapeland or My First Nazi Primer. But I have no problem imitating styles. If I CAN do it then it's just as mine as anybody else's. I'm just not the one that pioneered it. I don't think that being known as Discount McCaig is likely to lead to fame and fortune, but that's different from thinking it's not okay.
March 27th, 2012 #37
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March 27th, 2012 #38
Integrity is about lines. We all create lines which won't be crossed. The more of life one experiences the more information is had to create those lines. But all our lives are spent making lines and then re-adjusting them.
I had an opportunity early on in my life to be a partner in an advertising firm. After some great soul searching I didn't do it (my would be partner is rich and retired now) because I made a line in the sand.
No one can determine what another's lines will be but those with some experience can give advice about lines which we can take or leave. I happen to believe that artistic integrity can never be achieved if the dollar is the only goal.
Copying another's hard earned style to make a buck might make you a buck in the short term, which may be needed to feed you or your family, but will not sustain you as an artist in the long run. Experience.
I guess the artists and people I admire most are those who, even if it was the more difficult path, developed a unique voice through hard work and not crossing the lines they drew in the sand.
March 27th, 2012 #39
So, how do you know when you're doing art? I was hired as an illustrator, but for having an art school background, I was asked to do everything from choosing the carpets for the administration building (yes, really) to multimedia programming (I wrote a buttload of code in my day) to 3D modeling. I built websites. I painted signage. Shoot, I taped overhead transparencies into frames and dyed word slides with Luma dyes. I did paste up and publication design. I also made illustrations by the hundreds, from cartoons to technical illustrations to oil paintings.
Somebody's got to do that work, and some of it takes genuine artistic chops. I'm just not seeing where integrity comes into it. I liked the company I worked for and approved of its mission; I wouldn't have stayed with it otherwise. I did the best job I could.
Oh, and for years, I'd come home at night and paint what I pleased and never show it to a soul. Does that art have extra special integrity? The fact that I pleased myself and I didn't think about the marketplace or the audience at all?
p.s. Please tell me there's money in furry porn. I'm counting on it for my retirement fund.
I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).