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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Definitely. I don't think people realize how much stuff isn't on line.
    Exactly...like either of my favorite new wave band "3D" albums...hell, they didn't even make it to CD!

    And really, you'd think those lost Bridgman's that surfaced awhile ago would be all over the place...but nope, same few images because people just grab them from other online posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Definitely. I don't think people realize how much stuff isn't on line.
    Quite a lot of art, for starters... :/

    You still can't beat art books for art inspiration.

    Historical material also tends to be a bit patchy on the web, I've noticed. And costume, for some reason. But anything remotely geeky is available online in spades.

    Also, I've discovered how incredibly useful Google Maps can be. Say you need to show a specific street or intersection in a specific city - go to Google Maps street view, pan around and take screenshots, maybe grab an aerial shot too, voila! Perspective is strange, but you have all the info you need, it's like going there and taking virtual snapshots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    Also, I've discovered how incredibly useful Google Maps can be. Say you need to show a specific street or intersection in a specific city - go to Google Maps street view, pan around and take screenshots, maybe grab an aerial shot too, voila! Perspective is strange, but you have all the info you need, it's like going there and taking virtual snapshots.
    Great suggestion, here are some other sources for reference, besides plain old Google Images:
    Google Earth (many famous sites have been 3D modeled, for instance I had to do a scene from a specific spot at Epcot once, it saved my ass)
    Google's 3D Warehouse for free Sketchup models (quality varies from poor to amazing)
    Flickr (great for places, animals, art)
    Ebay (weird objects, antiques)
    DeviantArt (figures, costume, animals)
    Stock photo sites (Corbis, Getty Images, iStockPhoto, etc)
    The Library of Congress (old photos, maps)

    Anybody have any more?


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    Theres a Tumblr for all sorts of stuff nowadays

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    You certainly need to know how to go all about this in the illustration biz.
    Outside of that not so much. Depending on your temperament; sometimes never.
    Morandi did it all with a few dusty bottles, Donato does it with a mountain of photographs. Both are artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Stuff comes in through your eyes, gets scrambled up in your brain, and art comes out your hands. No big mystery
    THIS! Best explanation of what we do, EVER!

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    I just found this blog with a great story about meeting Williamson and brief discussion of his process. Great pix. Scroll down.
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    There is actually quite an art in finding just what you're looking for on Google images.

    Sometimes you can have quite a long dialogue with the dialogue box, like "man in a suit swinging a hammer." Sometimes you do better abbreviating that to "swinging a hammer." But if you reduce that to "swinging" you're going to get porn.

    I have learned, for example, that a search on "toe" is going to give me nightmare shots of foot injuries. Plus, I picked up a computer virus on one of those images. I surely wish I could unsee some of the things I've turned up. Oof!

    I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoat View Post
    There is actually quite an art in finding just what you're looking for on Google images.

    Sometimes you can have quite a long dialogue with the dialogue box, like "man in a suit swinging a hammer." Sometimes you do better abbreviating that to "swinging a hammer." But if you reduce that to "swinging" you're going to get porn.

    I have learned, for example, that a search on "toe" is going to give me nightmare shots of foot injuries. Plus, I picked up a computer virus on one of those images. I surely wish I could unsee some of the things I've turned up. Oof!
    Generally speaking, I find the safe search filter will happily stop pornography and such, but it's not so good with violence. So if you're unlucky, you might get the odd disgusting pictures of gunshot wounds to the head or burnt corpses appearing.

    I've found that I rather dislike Google image search, mainly because I'm 1) not always that great at figuring out the best search terms to use, and 2) a lot of the images it throws out tend to be duplicates and not always of the best quality. It's self-repeating in a way. Person searches for image, nabs the first thing that appears for their blog, so the image becomes more common place, and then the next person does the same thing, and before you know it, you just end up getting variations of the same picture on different sites. It can be handy for specific stuff, I suppose.

    My new favourite source for general non-specific reference is magazines. If you can find somewhere that carries all the speciality interest magazines, it's great. There's magazines for everything. Cars, planes, motorbikes, boats, animals, gardening, travel, electronics, fashion, you name it. They're normally not much more expensive than the costs of all that printer ink if you were printing this stuff from the internet, and the photos are normally good quality and clear. If you pick two up a month or something, ones with lots of photos in, and it wouldn't be too long before you'd have a nice little stash of stuff you could look at.

    Not much good, of course, if you need a specific item, place, animal or whatever, but I find it helpful just to study the colours and lighting of materials I'd never normally get the chance to see first hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoat View Post
    I have learned, for example, that a search on "toe" is going to give me nightmare shots of foot injuries. Plus, I picked up a computer virus on one of those images. I surely wish I could unsee some of the things I've turned up. Oof!

    so true... i'm only using google search if i can't get what i want any other way because i got sick of all that disgusting stuff....even when you are looking for something totally harmless.

    i don't understand why so many people are uploading super disgusting stuff and why videos get so much clicks where people are attacked, injured (sometimes really bad injuries) or even die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoat View Post
    There is actually quite an art in finding just what you're looking for on Google images.

    Sometimes you can have quite a long dialogue with the dialogue box, like "man in a suit swinging a hammer." Sometimes you do better abbreviating that to "swinging a hammer." But if you reduce that to "swinging" you're going to get porn.
    And if you search for "fox", you get pages and pages of Samantha Fox and very few four-footed furry critters...

    I find that Google Images works best as a starting point... I usually either augment it with regular Google searches to find what I need, or click the most promising images (if they don't have suspicious URLs,) and, if the images lead to sites with related material, I'll most likely find what I need by surfing around from there. Or at the very least I'll find info I can use to refine my search.

    The "Find Similar Images" option is pretty good, though... For example I just did a quickie search for "office chair", and I had a specific type of chair in mind but didn't know the name of that chair style. Out of the first page of results, there was maybe one chair close to the right style, so I clicked "Find Similar Images" on that chair, and voila, pages and pages of exactly the chair style I was looking for.

    (But if you think searching for images is tricky, try finding information on obscure Flash quirks. That takes some seriously creative searching.)

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