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April 8th, 2012 #61
It is well known that regular people with nothing to do with a profession can give valuable insights. Maybe not about techicals aspects, but yes about the general output of something.
You can obviously disagree with what people are telling you, but since you are exposing your works for opinions, it has little point to argue with those opinons, though you can choise not to follow the advice.
You seem to have the mindset of an artist who wants to express himself and do what he feels like...that is very respectable and a lot of people do it with succes, and you can too since you are able to do good looking things.
But as far as i understand concept art, wich this forum is about not about art, the skills evaluated are other than the passion of an artist, but very stablished skills that can´t be just dismissed because they bore you, or you are not interested in.
You have all the right of the world to make any silhoutte you like, but you can´t argue with the fact that being able to design strong silhouettes is a very important skill in concept art.
As you see i´m not being agresive with you. I think the issue here is that you are showing very personal designs (with the potential succes by their own appealing), in a section related with another aspects of design, as for example being able to do whatever the clients ask you.
Cheers! and good luck.
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April 8th, 2012 #62
Morris, you've totally missed the point of posting your work here on ConceptArt.org, and more specifically, in the forum thread that has to do with portfolio reviews. In fact, you yourself solicited opinions on your portfolio:
Hitsu//San gave you some excellent advice:
Then you said:
Then The Dirt Syndicate gives you one of the best pieces of advice that toy designers - along with character designers for animation and comics - can ever have: that you must pay attention to your characters' silhouettes. That by doing so, your characters can become even more instantly recognizable.
Your very bizarre response:
But again, you totally missed the point. Instead of acting like The Dirt Syndicate's post was an attack upon you (it wasn't), you should have listened to what he was telling you, figuring out why and how this would apply toward your longevity as a toy designer. You fought back against his advice, and you treated The Dirt Syndicate as if he said something offensive to you.
He did not, and you very well know it. This is where you willfully acted in an immature way; instead of taking this as a valuable learning opportunity, you decided to act as if everyone was not telling you what you wanted to hear.
When you ask for opinions, criticisms and advice, you should expect to actually recieve some. When you do receive criticism, advice and opinions from others, it is the polite thing - the respectful thing - to actually (like you're in a regular conversation) to communicate with those who are giving you advice. Those people aren't attacking you. They're HELPING you!
And it is nothing short of rude of you not to do so, which you haven't done in this thread. It is nothing short of being short-sighted of you for not trying to learn what we're all telling you, because if you wish to have a career where you pay for your life from your talents, then you must understand how the business works.
You said you were looking for work, and we're all trying to help you with that. It is a crying shame that even though you asked for help, you refuse to accept it.
When Shorinji_Knight said he also couldn't tell what your designs were, instead of actually paying attention to what he said, you decided to again act like an immature child:
I have known The Dirt Syndicate for over 8 years. He loves blood and gore, but as a working professional, I have seen him do all sorts of things, including science fiction designs, cartoony designs, super hero designs, realistic & many other kinds of designs for many different kinds of jobs for print, TV commercials, feature films & animation. He has an extremely broad range of ability that you could only hope to have. He has also worked in many different kinds of creative art jobs, primarily because of his wide range of ability.
However, you choose not to even acknowledge what he wrote to you. What a terribly immature thing. Hypocritical too, considering you were the one who asked for others' opinions.
In fact, The Dirt Syndicate told you things that I and others have told you on this thread. This bears repeating:
One of the most difficult things when you try to become a working professional, is to have a thick enough skin that will allow you to hear that your work is not good enough, and to gain the patience and wisdom enough to be able to learn from this criticism, so you can get better at what you do. If you act and react to every bit of criticism as if people are simply insulting you and being mean to you (which nobody on this thread has been doing), then you simply will not learn anything valuable in the art world, or even in everyday life itself.
It's all part of growing up. We have all gone through it. If you have any hope of becoming a working professional (the kind that will pay for your life through your talents), then you must simply GROW UP. Stop acting and reacting like a child would. It does not help you.
You yourself said that every place you go, you get this kind of criticism. Sometimes you have to realize that's happening for a very good reason...
By your actions, you prove that you're not a "professional fellow". If you were, then you would act like you understand what we're telling you, and you would be able to communicate back to us your goals, your full experience, where you wish to go in life. You would have then been receptive to the valuable things we've all been telling you.
Then I spend a good deal of time giving you excellent advice, and you just seemed to blow it off, like it (or anyone else's critiques) didn't matter. Only because you asked for people's opinions & criticisms on a forum that specifically is all about critiquing your work, makes your attitude incredibly frustrating.
Your last post demonstrates that you - AGAIN - don't care about the criticism that other people have given you, that you yourself have asked for.
I have a challenge for you that I would bet money you won't try: I would hope that you get your parents to read this thread, to see if they agree with what we're all saying to you. Then I would challenge you to have several other people in your life who have always challenged you, like a school counselor or a few bosses from your art jobs, to see what they think about what we're all trying to say to you.
I would bet you money that - even if they agree with your objection to our 'salty language' - they would tell you that we all are giving you good advice, and that you are doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears while yelling, "la la la la la la la!"
There's no evil going on here, even though you're trying to act as if there were. What's going on here is your immature and hypocritical reaction to people giving you advice and criticism, when you're the one who asked for it in the first place.
Last edited by magnut; April 8th, 2012 at 12:45 PM.
April 8th, 2012 #63
You are putting your foot down, meaning you are taking a stand. What you are taking a stand 'for', is for keeping your head buried in the sand, never to learn from others. So essentially, you are putting your foot down, and are taking a stand for nothing. For remaining ignorant and obstinate, hurting yourself professionally and personally in the process, all the while fending off and avoiding those who have great things to teach you.
Or, that is you pretending to be a martyr.
You're better than that. I know you are.
Why don't you?
April 9th, 2012 #64
Morris, either change your meds or ragequit, whatever you find acceptable.
> People on forums generally seem to be hateful.
nonono bb, it's you being both pressed and pretentious.
I can speculate how you've come here looking for emotional support, kittens and hugs, and the first batches of commercial product critique don't really meet your own expectations,
but it's no excuse for your rude and immature behavior. that, combined with less than stellar "I'm up my own ass" work, gives an overall bad impression of an over defensive art kid.
How do you take art-directors critique in that case?
Have you ever been told to RE-paint/re-model something?
(Have you even worked in conceptart/3D production, aside from qute toyz?)
Last edited by ikken; April 9th, 2012 at 12:40 AM.on the fourth day of glitchmas my painter gave to me
four random crashes, three broken brushes, two system hangups & one corrupted workspace
April 9th, 2012 #65
Oh my god, are we wasting our time here again instead of helping those who cares? Look was the only one who said something true and useful in 2 days. What's happening here it's a shame, this guy is not ready to grow up and doesn't want to do it right now (and he can't even explain what he says) and no one of us can do anything about it with words. Please leave him be, we have already helped him so freaking much and that wasn't what he wanted...
There are other people that will trow this guy out of the window to have someone like us to talk about this work.
April 9th, 2012 #66
You can't even accept critiques from the people on the internet, I wonder how would you feel if you get to meet one IRL...
Less QQ more pewpew... gg yo!
November 6th, 2012 #67
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