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    Neytiri Sculpt - Something a little different. UPDATE on post#13

    This is my 4th sculpt so far and I'm feeling like I bit off a little more then I
    can chew with this one.

    I was a little hesitant to post this because I really don't have any experience
    sculpting. I do love it, but just wish I had more time to practice. Even though
    this sculpt has a long way to go, I would love to know what you guys think
    of the direction I took with this.. I've always loved Relief Sculptures and just
    decided one day to give it a shot using Neytiri as the character.

    The Clay is new to me and I'm really having a hard time getting it smooth
    (chavant hard) so it's a bit tedius going over the same spot over and over
    to get it smooth. I did learn that baby oil works pretty good, but once you
    start smoothing, it seems you have to set it asside for an evening or else
    the sculpt becomes way to soft to work with. Any good advise for a good
    smoothing solution is very much appreciated.

    I'm not really sure how I'm gonna finish this yet, but I was thinking it might look
    cool finished off in a stone texture, with the whole piece looking like a piece
    of broken stone that has Neytiri chiseled out. What do you guys think?
    Thanks for looking!





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    i love bass releaf sculpts i havent done any in ages but this looks great the front on view is great. it captures her likeness very well.
    as for smoothing i wouldnt start mucking about with adding oils etc to the sculpt. if you freez it (be carefull as it will want to pop off the perspex) then you can use the edge of a scalpel to scrape the surface realy smooth you can then burnish it with a nice sculpting tool and finaly give it a very light going over with panel wipe or lighter fluid that typa thing. i would love to see this in an old bronze finnish with the green batina on it . i think this is going to be a realy nice peice.

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    Wow, thanks so much for the compliment, it means a lot to me . I will
    definitely give all your suggestions a go. I'll probably try it first on some
    scrap clay to get the hang of it before venturing any further.

    I was thinking of several different options for this sculpt. One was a pewter
    looking finish, a stone finish, and the third was a bronze finish. I might do
    all 3 and keep the one I like the best and then give the other 2 away..

    Thanks again for you compliment and help

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    After spending some time comparing the original image with my sculpt, I
    decided to make some much needed changes. I still have to complete those
    changes, so everything is still a little rough in the pic below.



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    Been busy making small changes here and there. My skill level is still at a point
    where the places that need adjustment don't immediately jump out at me, but
    I think I'm pretty happy with the likeness. I'm gonna fix a few more area's and
    then start to clean everything up. My plan (because I messed up lol ;0) once
    the face is complete, I'm gonna mold it and make a resin casting and then sculpt
    the hair around it. I'm really not sure how I'm gonna do the hair yet, so I think
    it would be best to make the casting so I don't screw up any detail while playing
    around with idea's.

    I took this left pic and did a quick cut out in PS, then pasted it over the original.


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    Still at it I spent some time tonight cleaning up as much as possible.
    I'm still having a very difficult time smoothing this out like I want it. The sculpt
    itself is pretty small so I can't get my fingers in there to smooth anything.
    I've pretty much been using tools from start to finish which for me is the
    most challenging thing I've done in sculpting so far. I'm hoping to have all
    the changes and most of the smoothing finished tomorrow



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    Here's where I'm at. Not a lot done since my last update, but I have been
    making subtle changes. Biggest change is the brow line. I'm still not finished
    with it, but I like it better now. I just kept feeling like the brow was a little
    too heavy, so I cut it back a little. I also did a little smoothing.



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    Got a little further on this tonight. I still have a lot to do, but I'm feeling better
    about the likeness. Now, if I can just get the dang brow line the way I want it



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    I really like this... it's the closest to a proper likeness in clay that I've seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaneye View Post
    I really like this... it's the closest to a proper likeness in clay that I've seen
    I don't know what to say, Alan. That's huge. I was just hoping for a decent
    likeness, so thank you so much for the compliment

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    Neytiri is very beautiful and most of the attempts don't really capture that beauty... as I think you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaneye View Post
    Neytiri is very beautiful and most of the attempts don't really capture that beauty... as I think you have.
    I agree, she is a very beautiful character, and probably the one reason I
    was afraid to sculpt her. Your compliment really makes me fee like I'm heading
    in the right direction with this. I was starting to think I was just going around
    in circles with all the adjustments I was making. Thanks again, I can't tell you
    how much it's done to motivate me to move foward on this.

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    Made a couple more tweeks. I also started smoothing everything out, but
    I still can't smooth this out without leaving tool marks I just
    can't seem to work this stuff. I think for the rest of this sculpt I'm either
    gonna switch back to sculpey firm or try chavant med or soft. This chavant
    hard is a bear. At least the sculpey smooths fairly easy

    Hope you guys like my progress, and thanks for looking.



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    I took a little break from this and started a new sculpt to hopefully help
    me see the problem area's a little better before I mold the face. I also
    started working on my own wax recipe's. They all suck!!! Well, except one.
    The one I made kinda carves like TMS wax, but in no way as good. This TMS
    wax is awesome stuff. I honestly can't wait to use it. I'm gonna try to have
    the face fully complete over the weekend and then mold it and pour a wax
    copy.

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    I've finally managed to get working on this piece again. I really wish
    I had more time, but I've been working on so many projects that this
    one kinda got lost in the mix.. I'm still stuck on what to do about the
    hair. Hair is one of those things that's extremely hard to do for me,
    so I'll probably practice before moving foward. I still have plans to
    do a final clean up on a wax copy, so I am wondering if it would be
    easier to do the hair in wax.. Something to think about. Hope you
    guys like my progress..



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    This is really awesome, can't wait to see it cast.

    I can see you've done some shaping, but I would maybe make the bottom of the neck a little thinner so it looks like it's tapering back instead of coming straight down from the head. The ears too, need more details. In the ref pic there are some interesting shapes on the insides of them that even just hinting at would add a lot I think. As far as the hair goes, treat it like one big mass and don't worry about sculpting out every individual braid. You could define the parts in the foreground and have it kind of fade into the back.

    This is kind of a complex example of what I mean http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MCMgezocmQ...s_1765_100.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralHorn View Post
    This is really awesome, can't wait to see it cast.

    I can see you've done some shaping, but I would maybe make the bottom a little thinner so it looks like it's tapering back instead of coming straight down from the head. The ears too, need more details. In the ref pic there are some interesting shapes on the insides of them that even just hinting at would add a lot I think. As far as the hair goes, treat it like one big mass and don't worry about sculpting out every individual braid. You could define the parts in the foreground and have it kind of fade into the back.

    This is kind of a complex example of what I mean http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MCMgezocmQ...s_1765_100.jpg
    Thanks for the pic, that really gives me a direction to shoot for . Yeah the ears are just roughed in. I was thinking of just finishing it off in wax.
    My main problem with the few sculpts I've done is lack of experience, so when I run into wall (like the hair) I tend to practice before going
    any further. Sculpting the hair is a thought I've had, but I just don't know how to do it at this point. There's still a couple hours left tonight so
    I'll have to get to it and see what I come up with . Thanks so much for the compliment and the advice, I really appreciate it..

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    Sure thing! You actually got me thinking that I need to get back into doing reliefs. They're so much fun!

    I can see you've done some shaping, but I would maybe make the bottom a little thinner so it looks like it's tapering back instead of coming straight down from the head.
    Btw I was referring to the neck here, not the bottom of the whole sculpture. The hair would be more forward than the neck. Not sure how I screwed that sentence up so badly, ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralHorn View Post
    Btw I was referring to the neck here, not the bottom of the whole sculpture. The hair would be more forward than the neck. Not sure how I screwed that sentence up so badly, ha.
    No, you explained it fine. I knew exactly what area you were talking about I'll definitely keep the neck in mind. I like that idea since
    it will give the sculpt more depth.. Thanks again..

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    it sounds like you might prefer a softer clay for sculpting

    to smooth chavant clay they suggest on their web site ...
    ___
    http://www.chavant.com/new_site/files/faq.htm
    How do I smooth the surface?
    Try water, Avon Skin-So-Soft, WD-40, Goof-Off, turpentine, lighter fluid and multipurpose oil/wax solvents by brush or hand. Some of the new "citrus" based cleaning fluids will work well.
    ____

    heat can be used to soften the clay for working
    as in a heat lamp or warming box
    and it can be used to soften sharp lines
    by hitting the area directly with a heat gun or other small heat source

    you are doing well,
    keep at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by clifcarver View Post
    it sounds like you might prefer a softer clay for sculpting

    to smooth chavant clay they suggest on their web site ...
    ___
    http://www.chavant.com/new_site/files/faq.htm
    How do I smooth the surface?
    Try water, Avon Skin-So-Soft, WD-40, Goof-Off, turpentine, lighter fluid and multipurpose oil/wax solvents by brush or hand. Some of the new "citrus" based cleaning fluids will work well.
    ____

    heat can be used to soften the clay for working
    as in a heat lamp or warming box
    and it can be used to soften sharp lines
    by hitting the area directly with a heat gun or other small heat source

    you are doing well,
    keep at it
    Thanks so much for the relpy and kind words . When I first started, I started off using the softer clay, but
    after a while I just didn't like how easy it was to mess up hours of detail with one wrong move.. I really like
    the chavant, but it's pretty tuff to get smooth.. I think I've tried everything under the sun to smooth it. I guess
    the only thing that words is time and patience with tools. I was hoping for an easier way out lol Oh well..

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