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    Talent

    No I'm not going to start any arguments, I know it's a deadhorse brought to life to be killed agan and kicked again. I just wanted to post my article on the matter so that anyone who cares can read it.

    I just wrote it so I don't have to bother about it again. Copypaste = Point made.

    http://www.connyart.com/2012/03/tale...it-matter.html


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    I believe in talent to an extent. I mean, everyone has strengths and weaknesses and some people pick up certain skills faster than others. My brother and dad can do math in their head where as I cannot do this at all. I've always had different things I am good at though. Some of my friends are more or less athletic than I, etc. etc. Everyone has things they are naturally more inclined towards. I think that talent is simply this. Basically, a person is able to learn something more easily because the way they think or whatever better suits them to it.

    It doesn't mean that others can't equal or beat them in whatever area if they put the work in, and it certainly doesn't mean that those with a natural inclination towards drawing or whatever don't have to work hard in order to further develop.

    Anyway, this is just my opinion. It really sucks that your teacher was so harsh with you when you where a kid. I honestly believe that kids should be encouraged in their artistic pursuits no matter how good or how bad.

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    Talent certainly does exist from my observations. Everyone learns different subjects at different rates. If I were to spend the same amount of time on golf as Tiger Woods, I still probably wouldn't be as good.

    I think the key problem is identifying 'talent.' It can be obscured by many factors. Time spent, access to education, encouragement, etc....if anyone saw MindCandyMan's drawings when he was starting out, I guarantee you most people would identify him as talentless. He was, what, in his 20s when he started? Most people by then would assume if you were talented you'd be off on your feet making pretty good art.

    Of course, fast forward about 3 or 4 years and he's making absolutely amazing paintings. He was definitely talented.

    Now could everyone do that in just a few years (you can see his work if you want reference on the top of this page)? I don't think so. Definitely not.

    He had access to education and a hard work ethic, which would put him miles ahead of anyone that didn't have either but was talented.

    Talent can be obscure to identify, but I certainly think it exists. Some people just pick up things faster, as previously stated. I have zero talent for mathematics. It's far too abstract for my mind to be capable of, I think. I have failed college statistics twice now.

    My friend, on the other hand, is starting his Ph.D. in physics. No joke! I still remember when he tried tutoring me in college algebra, and he would absolutely facepalm. I just couldn't understand it, but throughout our school together (since early middleschool) he always picked up math very fast. He wasn't even interested in it at first, and neither was I, but he still understood it very well. I'm not as talented as him. If I were to put in the same amount of work he has at studying mathematics and receive similar education, I would still be far behind.

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    Tristan Elwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    etc.
    I see what you did there.
    To repeat myself: I didn't post this to kick the horse.
    I suppose I should have posted it in my sketchbook to give the post it's actual purpose.

    But whatever. It doesn't matter, people can just ignore it if it bothers them.

    edit: or lock the thread, you'd do me a favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnyNordlund View Post
    I see what you did there.
    To repeat myself: I didn't post this to kick the horse.
    I suppose I should have posted it in my sketchbook to give the post it's actual purpose.

    But whatever. It doesn't matter, people can just ignore it if it bothers them.

    edit: or lock the thread, you'd do me a favor.
    I read Elwell's post as a simple list of recent threads for those that are interested.

    Btw, Art and Fear page 26-27.

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    Where's the next "What is Art" thread. I'm hankering for the usual cycle.

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    I think it's allready been established what art is. The real philosophical mystery lies within "what is sex drawing?".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    Where's the next "What is Art" thread. I'm hankering for the usual cycle.
    Currently incubating in the 'Does anyone else feel this way' thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    Where's the next "What is Art" thread. I'm hankering for the usual cycle.
    The last one is still running... Wait a few months, it'll take a while.

    Not that it matters, every "What is Art" thread is 100% interchangeable with every other... You could grab random posts from all of them, mix-and-match them together, and nobody would ever be able to tell the difference. XD

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    Talent is like a hammer. Having one, doesn't mean you will be hitting nails. Not having one, doesn't mean you will never hit a nail; try a brick or your forehead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    You could grab random posts from all of them, mix-and-match them together, and nobody would ever be able to tell the difference. XD
    To merge them all is so tempting. Must resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post

    ... You could grab random posts from all of them, mix-and-match them together, and nobody would ever be able to tell the difference. XD
    Actually, someone did this, online, with "Garfield."

    Makes it a helluva lot better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    Actually, someone did this, online, with "Garfield."

    Makes it a helluva lot better!
    And removing Garfield from "Garfield" makes the strip even better than that.

    http://www.amazon.com/Garfield-Minus.../dp/0345513878

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    I think the main problem with a word talent is that we tend to think that is fixed. I would say that abilities change over time, sometimes increase or fade.

    The second problem is that we tend to treat it like a "one block", rather than a branch of certain skills for example some people have aptitude toward accurate mechanical drawing other can create interesting original concepts and present ordinary things in anussual forms, for example let's compare works of Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres and Jackson Pollock, both of them were great, but having completely different understanding of what art is.

    I'd like to start a serious conversation about what talent is and which skills/aptitudes it includes, comparing several artists from different epoques.

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