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    Quote Originally Posted by stgodd View Post
    I feel like a wall is banging against my head.

    I have some comments i would make about your previous texts, but it sounds like your no longer interested and ive lost a fair amount of interest too. I'm finished now.
    Hard to keep interest when I, and I'm sure many others too, keep reading your post with a whiny tone of "But but but but but!"

    Learn where to sit down and listen =/ People have chucked logical views at you and you keep biting back with "BUT IT'S WRONG!" It's questionable if you're even READING half of what people are saying which would help the misinformed become informed.

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    stgodd seems to also be assuming that no homosexual couples want children, and that all heterosexual couples will have children. Which is wrong. There are also things called adoption and surrogate mothers.

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    Learn about homosexuality in 3 easy steps.

    1.) Befriend a gay person.

    2.) Ask them some questions.

    3.) Learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Ross View Post
    1.) Befriend a gay person.
    BUT THEN YOU MIGHT CATCH THE GAY!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    BUT THEN YOU MIGHT CATCH THE GAY!
    You can only catch the gay sexually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    BUT THEN YOU MIGHT CATCH THE GAY!
    http://conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_Health


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    Given the many diseases associated with homosexuality, the Bible prohibition against homosexuality is arguably one of the many examples where the Bible exhibited knowledge that was ahead of its time.
    That's so sad. Kind of amusing, but mostly sad. The whole page simultaneously sickens and amuses me x_x

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    Haha check this one

    http://conservapedia.com/Homophobia




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    Conservapedia is an English-language wiki project written from a self-described American conservative, Christian,
    and predominantly creationist point of view. The website considers itself to be a supporter of "conservative, family-friendly" content.[3]
    It was started in 2006 by homeschool teacher and attorney Andrew Schlafly, son of conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly,

    "Phyllis McAlpin Stewart Schlafly born August 15, 1924) is a Constitutional lawyer, American
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    She is known for her opposition to modern feminism ideas and for her campaign against the proposed Equal Rights Amendment

    In 1992, their eldest son, John, was outed as gay by Queer Week magazine.[11][12] Schlafly acknowledged that John is gay, but stated that he embraces his mother's views."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    BUT THEN YOU MIGHT CATCH THE GAY!
    It's a good thing I wear a condom at all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    In 1992, their eldest son, John, was outed as gay by Queer Week magazine.[11][12] Schlafly acknowledged that John is gay, but stated that he embraces his mother's views."
    Bwahaha, typical.
    Both Schlafly's biography page and talk page are permanently locked at Conservapedia, presumably because Andrew Schlafly is embarrassed at having a gay brother, given his views on homosexuality. Any references to John are reverted in very short order, and users can be banned for discussing his sexual orientation. Indeed, users have been banned from discussing him at all.[5]
    -> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conserv...:John_Schlafly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rainville View Post
    It's a good thing I wear a condom at all times.
    At ALL times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.k.a.Ciel View Post
    At ALL times?
    Of course! You can't be too careful!


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    To prevent catching gay you only need to wear one while having sex with gays, thats what Ted Haggard did and he turned out fine.

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    Atheism and Obesity.

    According to the Gallup Organization, "Very religious Americans are more likely to practice healthy behaviors than those who are moderately religious or nonreligious." (...)

    Very religious Americans make healthier choices than their moderately religious and nonreligious counterparts across all four of the Healthy Behavior Index metrics, including smoking, healthy eating, and regular exercise. (...)

    There is considerable amount of scientific evidence that suggest that theism is more conducive to mental and physical health than atheism. (...)
    Haaaaaaaaahahah. Especially the "mental health" part. That's rich. Honestly though, religious folks can't possibly read that site and expect it to be even remotely unbiased, right? Nobody in their right mind would believe any of the crap written on there I hope.


    Also why have we been discussing this? I mean, the answer to all of our questions are right here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossmirage View Post
    stgodd seems to also be assuming that no homosexual couples want children, and that all heterosexual couples will have children. Which is wrong. There are also things called adoption and surrogate mothers.
    No I'm not assuming that, I dont know where you think i said that.

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    2. All sex isn't about reproduction. Not even in the animal world. DUH.

    The sex is really important for pact structure and social interactions. (Read: They have sex because f fun, help them bond, and reduces stress levels.)
    The origional purpose of sex is reproduction, Reduction of stress and social bonding is a benificial side product.

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    but all this seems a bit self-loathing. Like you think you're a freak or something.
    No its not self-loathing, I dont think you understand what i'm trying to say either.

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    and you keep biting back with "BUT IT'S WRONG!" It's questionable if you're even READING half of what people are saying.
    blogmatix has said some interesting stuff that i appreciate. But on the whole I dont think anyone here even understands what I mean when I say its wrong, I think youre all reading inbetween the lines and finding things that arent actually there. Saying "its wrong" is probably a bad way to put it as everyone is interpriting it in a way I didnt intend them to, but I dont know how else to say what I Mean.


    I'm not replying to anything in this thread anymore.

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    stgodd, you say you're homosexual, but you sound very confused as to where you now belong in human society. You've probably had a lot of your ideas drilled into your head since before you could talk. This is going to take you a lot longer to realise that people have been brainwashing for years. As a homosexual, you're going to find life a lot tougher with the type of support you're getting in your real life. By your own admission you think you're a freak of nature, but you're not. I wish you well and hope you can see the truth that has been posted here for what it is - support for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stgodd View Post
    The origional purpose of sex is reproduction, Reduction of stress and social bonding is a benificial side product.
    The original "purpose" (Edit: Function is a better word, see argument below) of the mouth was just to be a part of the digestive track, now we use it for breathing, verbal communication, non verbal communication, cleaning our self, fighting, object manipulation, social and sexual interaction, etc.

    The parts and behaviors of an organism is more and different then the original function of things. Evolution hints that things evolve. We are not oil bubbles in carbon based goo.

    Sex do in intelligence and social species play a lot more roles, and serves a lot more functions then mere reproduction.

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    Why do so many people get this evolution thing in such a confused way? Evolution has no purpose at all! Evolution itself is only a mental model to describe how life developed. It has no brain and no will and no consciousness. I doesn't think and doesn't plan.
    This means sex has no purpose at all. It is a an evolutional benefit, that it also leads to having babies, but that doesn't mean, that it has a purpose.
    But that has also not much to do witch marriage, wether gay or not. Marriage is simply the act of two people committing to each other, to have the right to inherit, to decide for the partner in the case of emergency and maybe a few tax issues. That's it. It doesn't touch the traditional marriage at all. In fact is IS traditional marriage, only without discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herrmann View Post
    Why do so many people get this evolution thing in such a confused way? Evolution has no purpose at all! Evolution itself is only a mental model to describe how life developed. It has no brain and no will and no consciousness. I doesn't think and doesn't plan.
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    The origional purpose of sex is reproduction, Reduction of stress and social bonding is a benificial side product.
    The original purpose of hands was to hold on to tree branches. Using them for making tools and building houses is just a beneficial side product.

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    http://conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Evolution

    finally the arguments against evolution have evolved to the point where they can counter all those dumb facts and "evidence"!

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    one example often used against atheists / people who believe in the theory of evolution is that if the human race was as old as we say it is, there would be more genetic variation, but these people don't seem to get it.
    most animals adapt to their environment, humans adapt their environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhune View Post
    Haaaaaaaaahahah. Especially the "mental health" part. That's rich. Honestly though, religious folks can't possibly read that site and expect it to be even remotely unbiased, right? Nobody in their right mind would believe any of the crap written on there I hope.
    Well, to be fair, having a discipline of some kind has been linked with higher amounts of willpower and better mental health.* Religion is a type of discipline, so that site might be partially right. Where I can see it going wrong is thinking that only religion confers these benefits. They didn't know why the answer was right, so they assumed it was right in the way that made them feel the most happy. Confirmation bias at its best!

    * Unfortunately the only citation I have readily available for this is a book that I've been working through, called The Willpower Instinct. It's really good by the way, and it's all about the neuroscience of willpower as well as ways to increase willpower in daily life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohaeri View Post
    Well, to be fair, having a discipline of some kind has been linked with higher amounts of willpower and better mental health.* Religion is a type of discipline, so that site might be partially right. Where I can see it going wrong is thinking that only religion confers these benefits. They didn't know why the answer was right, so they assumed it was right in the way that made them feel the most happy. Confirmation bias at its best!

    * Unfortunately the only citation I have readily available for this is a book that I've been working through, called The Willpower Instinct. It's really good by the way, and it's all about the neuroscience of willpower as well as ways to increase willpower in daily life.
    But doesn't that imply that atheism isn't disciplined? If religion is a type of discipline, and atheism is no religion...see? I understand your urge to be thorough for the sake of psychology, but that just reinforces the bad assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.ketch View Post
    But doesn't that imply that atheism isn't disciplined? If religion is a type of discipline, and atheism is no religion...see? I understand your urge to be thorough for the sake of psychology, but that just reinforces the bad assumption.
    Gonna second this.

    Disciplines and morals aren't exclusive to religion, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.ketch View Post
    But doesn't that imply that atheism isn't disciplined? If religion is a type of discipline, and atheism is no religion...see? I understand your urge to be thorough for the sake of psychology, but that just reinforces the bad assumption.
    Yes, but what test did they run to see who was atheist and who wasn't? What criteria did they use to select "very religious" people? People who go to church five times a week? You'll notice there's no category for "atheists who go to philosophy meetings" vs. "atheists without a set routine each week that they follow." That's because they weren't looking in the right places, i.e. confirmation bias. They expected that religion was the only factor and so they investigated only religion as a variable. What percentage of those "very religious" people played sports? What percentage of them meditate? What questions were they asking, for that matter? Did they start out with the hypothesis that religious people are better than atheists or did they hijack some other study's data to confirm their bias? That's what I want to know. Because I know this result has been tested and proven to be true in several very credible studies, that's what I expect to see.

    So sorry if I didn't explain it well enough. I'm not trying to question the morals of non-religious people. I'm non-religious myself and can't count the number of times I've had to explain to my (Christian, fundamentalist) family that I'm not a heathen just because I don't go to church.

    And, also to be fair, I'm saying this because I threw the baby out with the bath water when I stopped being Christian, and quit anything resembling something positive that I got out of church because of overwhelmingly negative associations. Like the benefits of meditation, for example. Stopped meditating and my quality of life went down as a result. So yeah, to be fair--not all of it is bunk. I wouldn't take that site as my only source though. Instead, I would say, "Is that true?" and start investigating why it may or may not be true in sources I do trust. That's how skepticism works.

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    To make things perfectly clear, there are three categories, as far as I can tell, that people in study were sorted into:

    non-religious
    somewhat relgious
    very religious.

    It's a safe assumption to say that a smaller number of people are "very religious" than somewhat religious and that being "very religious" requires more discipline.

    They should have sorted people into:

    non-religious but with another discipline (whether it be philosophy meetings, meditation, sports, etc.)
    non-religious but with no regular discipline
    religious with no regular discipline
    very religious.

    They didn't do this. The people sorted into the "not very religious" category didn't show the benefits that the "very religious" showed. Mixing the two together would have normalized them. Mixing the two atheist groups together would likely yield a similar result. Since that's what they did, they got a false positive. But, not everything about the study is wrong. They are right about the benefits of devoting yourself to a specific discipline. They just didn't control their study well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stgodd View Post
    The origional purpose of sex is reproduction, Reduction of stress and social bonding is a benificial side product.
    As I explained in another post, the original purpose of sex is quite irrelevant, because evolution constantly adapts things to new purposes. We may as well argue that it is wrong for birds to fly, because the original purpose of feathers was insulation (or possibly mating displays, or whatever.)

    In many primate species, sex does far more than reproduction, whether you like it or not (and whether the pope likes it or not).

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