"The [UK] government wants to introduce gay marriage by 2015, but says churches would not have to perform weddings.
Last week Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, said the "grotesque" plans would "shame the United Kingdom in the eyes of the world" if implemented"
Personally I think its a bit rich that a bunch of virgins who for decades covered up the sexual abuse of children think they can tell people who love eachother they're shaming their entire country by wanting to get married, but thats just me.
What do you think?
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Personally I think its a bit rich that a bunch of virgins who for decades covered up the sexual abuse of children think they can tell people who love each other they're shaming their entire country by wanting to get married, but thats just me.
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I thought it already was legal, at least in England?
It's legal in Denmark.
And I support it fully, as long as they truly do love each other. Love should be honored!
This church doesn't only abuse children, I have also heard stories of it actually supporting spousal abuse by telling the beaten woman that she should suck it up and honor her husband!
Either way, I don't give much credit for the church. In my honest and very personal opinion, church marriages is just a hype. If the gay people can't get it in the church, they should make up something even better.
...Says the person who won't ever marry anyone! Ever!
I think it interesting that people who is critical of gay marriages and makes statements saying that it will affect society in negative way, don't seem to be interested in statistics.
Countries that have allowed same sex marriages, and had it for at least 5 years have: Low STD rates, high fertility rates (for western society), low crime rates, often quite stable economies (despite the economical crisis in the world), low teen pregnancy rates, no higher or lower divorce rates then other countries, etc.
And gay marriages have had no effect on it. The countries that allowed gay marriages is still doing just fine. The changes that can be seen is things like positive effects on the mental health of HBTQ people.
I think it's a fair move. Gays and lesbians have the right to civil union, and the Catholic Church still has the right to practice Marriage the way they want to. Everybody wins.
I can't see how anyone can be unhappy with this.
I believe it was the Church of England who institutionalized Divorce, but if the Catholic church feels so strongly about it then surely they can lobby for it's abolishment in parliament. I think that trivializes marriage more than same sex marriage. Maybe more people would realize what the word 'commitment' actually means. I chuckle every time I hear the words "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part." Nobody believes it when they say it.
the Church's two most senior archbishops say the change would reduce the significance of marriage.
Originally Posted by kev ferrara
Wait what? Gay marriage wasn't allowed yet in the UK? Odd, I thought it would be. It's been legal here for some time.
But yeah agreed with OP of course.
People are silly. There is nothing wrong with Gay Marriage, and it should be allowed in every state and country.
End of story.
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This week's question time talks about the topic, and a couple of interesting points have been made.
For example, that the state cannot/should not allow gay marriage in churches because the church is/should be independent from the state. Thus, civil marriage could/should be allowed, church however would fall beyond government jurisdiction.
Every time someone says something about the "sancticity/significance of marriage" or any variant thereof, I want to throw a giant stack of newspaper clippings and articles of divorces, arranged marriages, short celeb marriages and domestic violence in their faces.
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Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall
So until this point gay marriage hasnt been legal in the uk?
I always thought it already was.
The whole argument is as stupid as most other religious arguments.
Church "Gays are evil"
me "Um why?"
church "Because they are shut up!"
I have nothing against religion but it really pisses me off how they bitch about stuff and never give any evidence to back up what theyre saying.
I'm pretty sure most people just use the religious card to try to get things banned withought any evidence just because they don't like it.
Hell I have a friend who's christian and hes ashamed to admit it because he hates the christian community so much.
Sorry that I went on a bit of a rant there.
As lordlouis above me said though if the church don't want to support it you can't force them as I don't think the churches are under government jurisdiction and quite frankly even if they were forced I still don't think gay couples would want to be married there so fuck the church let them do what they do with there heads shoved up their asses just make sure that they can't affect anything outside of their church.
Modern marriage is "gay" anyway. I say bring back the blood letting rituals and goat semen drinking. Nothing says "I am committed to you" like self flagellation and downing a chalice of luke warm sticky stuff on a Sunday afternoon!
Seriously though, I am surprised gay marriage is not already legal over here. I mean, it's not exactly the big moral and political issue it seems to be in places like the States.
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I think the church is more afraid that same sex marriage will reduce the significance of getting married in a church...
Wake me up when the BBC gets around to asking reps from the Religion Of Peace what they think about Gay Marriage.
Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall
I understand why churches would not allow gay couples to get marriage on their property. I mean they read from the same book that states that homosexuality is an abomination and that they should be put the death for such acts. Reconciliation with the good book seems close to possible given the theistic scripture. But gay rights are human rights and if gay people want to ceremoniously express their devotion and love to each other then they should be allowed the same status and rights as straight people. Good for the UK.
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