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    BAMF WIP

    Oh im so happy!
    I finally had got my old account back. (:
    I was posting on imaginefx forum but i missed you guys and your harsh critiques.
    Schools is a beast right now, and I've been working harder than ever.
    so i have less work to show for myself these days.

    but i do have this idea, that has really grown.
    being at college has opened me to gender studies and ive been very passionate about women's empowerment and the shame of women's sexuality in our culture. "the purity myth" is a great movie.
    anyways I've also been involved in study groups focused around the concpet of gender roles and how they affect men and their ability to express themselves outside of "hyper masculinity" and in turn hyper sexuality.
    to the point where america has a rape culture and a suggestion that most rape victims are "asking for it." therefore I wanted very badly to beat the people i've heard support such a theory, to a pulp.
    ive heard such disgusting things on my facebook feed, on the street, in forums, in class from both men and women.
    and have heard enough rape and molestion stories to make my heart sink into the athenosphere.
    im pretty non violent, ive never been in a fight and could never punch someone without a REALLY good reason, probably self defense.

    anyways, heres a picture of a roving badass woman fighting scum, without even a slice of remorse.
    and also, i know its another sexy woman, please give me a break on that.
    Uni is really killing me, plus i ve been drawing this commission for a few months now, and i just want to draw what keeps me excited to draw and happy.
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    Well, I'd say this has the same problems as your other pieces, as in they mostly concentrate on showing a pretty face and body in the expense of the story and composition. Like I have little idea exactly how she's posed on top of the... well, "thing" (I guess it's a man but I thought it to be a demon or something with the weird eyes and red skin, seeing how the woman is realistic) and how either of those figures work in the perspective you've set for the background (at the moment to me they look more like they've sunken to the ground).
    Also I completely lost the "protecting" part of the image, (partly because at the moment the girl/woman is just a meaningless scribble in the corner and the piece is overpowered by the fully rendered face and tits,) so I'd really think the value and colour choices so that viewers will notice the little girl in the back too.

    The finger anatomy looks very mangled (like the great variation on the size of the fingers and the very sharp angle the nail is compared to the finger on the most right side finger, as well as the fact that she has only four fingers) and I don't understand what the spiky ball the fingers grow from is. Is it a glove or a spiky wrist strap or something?

    Also well, personally I did like the version where her face was bit more angled better than the one you have now, buuut...
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    Indeed. Are you just showing us a halfway done WIP? Because there is still a lot more more required in this piece. The face is a decent render, though she looks more like she's making bedroom eyes instead of beating the shit out of someone.

    You clearly have strong feelings about the subject matter, convey that more in your painting.
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    I like the colors (love her hair), perspective and her clothes. Very sexy. But as said on this topic her face is awesome but she seems to be posing for a fashion magazine and not fighting someone.
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    Perhaps I shouldve made it clear that this is indeed a WIP.
    I'm absolutely no where near done.
    I've been tracking my progress on the imaginefx forum.
    this is the most recent update.
    I have line art really low to paint the torso.
    imo, this isnt even halfway done. the "guy" at the bottom hasnt even been started beyond sketch.
    i was attempting to make a "extreme"? perspective. kid of like your looking at, but slighty under him, past her, and then down the street to the girl.
    thats why the building sketch is so curved as well as the street behind her, im trying to follow that curve line with the spikes on what is going to be a finished bracelet.
    I've seen a few that arent perfect, but still create a strange look environment.

    that being said, again this still a WIP.

    i wanted to get a little weird with this, this was (partly) an inspiration.
    I'm not looking to do what ive done before in terms of painting. etc.

    http://beautifuldecay.com/2012/02/29...-pin-up-girls/

    the bodies are ...
    but the faces have this weird distant disgust, ive seen alot of other art like this, and thats i wanted to do with her.
    devilette.tumblr.com & toxic vision were huge inspirations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritvanished View Post
    i was attempting to make a "extreme"? perspective. kid of like your looking at, but slighty under him, past her, and then down the street to the girl.
    thats why the building sketch is so curved as well as the street behind her, im trying to follow that curve line with the spikes on what is going to be a finished bracelet.
    I have to admit the extreme perspective didn't really come through to me. I thought the building was curved because it was just one of those new artsy buildings (we have a building that has curved metallic walls here) and even then the figures just don't look to be on the level of the ground, nor is there very strong foreshortening on the woman's body that would show that we are way lower than her (and changing her head angle didn't help at that either). And yeah the fact that it's impossible to understand how the characters are posing helps even less.


    but the faces have this weird distant disgust, ive seen alot of other art like this, and thats i wanted to do with her.
    I don't know, she just looks bored. I can't see anything in her face that would show disgust and again I mention the head, when it was angled differently there was more power, like she's not willing to even turn her head towards you, her chin is up and she's tough. I don't think that head is exactly bad either (except that her jaw line gets lost in her neck, making her neck and head appear to be one tube), the serene and bored look is in its own way an interesting contrast, but yeah, I'm not seeing much disgust or disapproval in her expression.
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    I've seen your other posts, mate. And whilst I admire the fact you take ages to render your pictures to such a degree, I've rarely seen you push yourself in terms of facial expressions or character designs, but I won't go into that.

    You say you're trying to depict disgust and a distant -above it all- sort of look, but it seems you're afraid of making them look unsexy and keeping it blank. I think it'd do you some good to take a break, do some expression studies, and come back to that face with fresh eyes whilst you're still at an early stage.

    Also think you might be going into rendering faces too fast without figuring out exactly how you're going to depict her movement beleivably. If she's straddling the male figure, I have this feeling that her hips might be off, there isn't much force in her movement either, so it wouldn't do you much harm to look over that bit again.
    Anyways, hope you take on peoples' advice, it would be good to see you improve your story telling aspects, or else it'd be a great waste.
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    tinybird&Naidy

    TB,
    Well, I guess all I can say, is ill take your advice into consideration with my next update.
    I'm thinking about getting a simple 3d program to help me out with the landscape/background.


    Naidy:
    its not always a choice, i often change my mind right in the middle of a piece, because i get new inspiration.
    also i do alot of sketches, but can never execute them well.
    when im at home away from the internet, i work really quickly.
    I really wanted to make this character fully clothed, but i was having such a fun time painting her skin, and i think i when im finished the torso will look really good.

    its a really difficult decision for me, i love looking at her face, and im really proud of it. I think it may be one of the best ive rendered. so its like, it almost has the look i was going for, do i want to change it so much?
    in my head she isnt straddling him, looking at it not i can see how a viewer would think that, the idea of that creeps me out. I imagine she would barely want to touch him. im imagining her slamming his face on a curb or something, and this is just her lifting his head up, for another slam. she shes like crouching behind him. can anyone give me some advice on showing more force? i thought i had it, but the more i look the more static she becomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritvanished View Post
    I imagine she would barely want to touch him. im imagining her slamming his face on a curb or something, and this is just her lifting his head up, for another slam. she shes like crouching behind him.
    Well, in that case you really should show it. Obscuring/cutting the lower half of her body really doesn't work well in a situation like that, and like I mentioned, you really should do the work on getting the storytelling aspects of the image right, and leave the cheesecake as a secondary bonus, especially in images where the story is more important.

    Here's just my quick idea version of it, take it how you want.
    Attachment 1437536

    its not always a choice, i often change my mind right in the middle of a piece, because i get new inspiration.
    Well, there was some talk about inspiration in this thread, which you might want to read: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=238074
    And I understand what you mean about inspiration in midway as that happens to me too, but thus far it generally has led mostly on unhappy ending with me. If the inspiration takes you away from what you intended with the image (like suddenly painting naked chicks in a pic that originally wasn't supposed to have them), then I think it wouldn't hurt if you tried more to ignore that inspiration or take it out on another image and keep to the goal you set for that particular image. Especially if you want to try to create a more professional approach (as I don't think customers necessarily want you to completely change direction with their images/designs just because you had a random inspiration).
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    Also since I seem to be on a roll, here's another thing to think about too, your shadows (and values). Like here's two versions of my redline with different shadows, the first going more with what your original piece has, and other more of an opposite of it.
    Attachment 1437561
    The first one concentrates the light areas immediately to the woman's face and chest, leaving everything else more in the shadow, giving more of an impression (to me at least) of "a pretty woman!...who's doing something!" and the second hides her more in the shadows, giving a spotlight to the beaten guy and the little girl, which (at least I hope) puts more emphasis on the "someone's beaten! by that pretty woman!", in the sense that you want the story to be first thing the viewers sees, and not as an afterthought when they stop looking at her puffed chest and come-hither face (though my contrast between her head and the wall is kinda distracting but you get the idea).

    And I'm not saying it's wrong to put the emphasis on a well painted beautiful woman, but it's always good to think whether you are doing it for the benefit of the image or not.
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    There are LOADS of material on sexy female fighters, fighting. Take a look at a few female MMA matches for both interesting facial expressions and poses.

    For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAwoPCOxZ0
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    I have a rather philosophical, rather than artistic, response to this piece. I hope you consider this as food for thought based on your intro to this piece. I speak as a therapist, and a male in a largely female profession.

    There is a severe disconnect between your background info re rape culture and women as sex objects, and what you have actually drawn. You describe her as badass, but what you have drawn is a woman in a sexualized pose, in skimpy underwear, with a "come hither" look on her face common to anyone who peruses porn magazines. The fact that you describe her as powerful *and* sexy is an interesting thing I see in many men - they can't seem to leave the "sexy" out of it - so she is still a sex object, just in a different way - a male's fantasy of the dominant woman. Think about it - we don't automatically describe powerful men as sexy and powerful, do we...?

    When you say
    and also, i know its another sexy woman, please give me a break on that.
    it's is clear that you recognize that you have decided to draw a woman whose primary defining attribute is her sexuality. You then justify your decision by saying it's what excites you. How, then, is this different than all the other objectification of women that you say you hate? It is this more subtle and unthinking male-centered definition of women's empowerment as essentially sexual, that is a bigger problem than traditional, outright male chauvinist behaviour - just because it is more subtle. I personally think it's a way for men to deal with feeling threatened by powerful women, by diminishing them to sex objects.

    I should note that the only reason I posted this is because of the disconnect between your into and the image. In and of itself the image isn't awful (although it has been done to death already by every videogame artist on the planet). It's just that it was so jarring to see that was the route you were going after such an impassioned expression of your distress.

    When you're done, it might be an interesting exercise for you to take the finished image to one of the gender studies / feminist classes (don't tell them it's yours) and see their take on it.

    Anyway. Food for thought as I said. Please don't take this as an attack on you personally; I'm sure your hatred of rape culture is completely genuine. But I've dealt with the subtleties of this kind of thing for a long time and I just wanted to shine a bit of a light on something many of us don't even notice. Here is a lovely eye-opening piece about sexism and racism that talks about how blind we can be to our own actions, should anyone care to read it:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommuni...ingers-rapist/

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    I have a rather philosophical, rather than artistic, response to this piece. I hope you consider this as food for thought based on your intro to this piece. I speak as a therapist, and a male in a largely female profession.

    There is a severe disconnect between your background info re rape culture and women as sex objects, and what you have actually drawn. You describe her as badass, but what you have drawn is a woman in a sexualized pose, in skimpy underwear, with a "come hither" look on her face common to anyone who peruses porn magazines. The fact that you describe her as powerful *and* sexy is an interesting thing I see in many men - they can't seem to leave the "sexy" out of it - so she is still a sex object, just in a different way - a male's fantasy of the dominant woman. Think about it - we don't automatically describe powerful men as sexy and powerful, do we...?

    When you say


    it's is clear that you recognize that you have decided to draw a woman whose primary defining attribute is her sexuality. You then justify your decision by saying it's what excites you. How, then, is this different than all the other objectification of women that you say you hate? It is this more subtle and unthinking male-centered definition of women's empowerment as essentially sexual, that is a bigger problem than traditional, outright male chauvinist behaviour - just because it is more subtle. I personally think it's a way for men to deal with feeling threatened by powerful women, by diminishing them to sex objects.

    I should note that the only reason I posted this is because of the disconnect between your into and the image. In and of itself the image isn't awful (although it has been done to death already by every videogame artist on the planet). It's just that it was so jarring to see that was the route you were going after such an impassioned expression of your distress.

    When you're done, it might be an interesting exercise for you to take the finished image to one of the gender studies / feminist classes (don't tell them it's yours) and see their take on it.

    Anyway. Food for thought as I said. Please don't take this as an attack on you personally; I'm sure your hatred of rape culture is completely genuine. But I've dealt with the subtleties of this kind of thing for a long time and I just wanted to shine a bit of a light on something many of us don't even notice. Here is a lovely eye-opening piece about sexism and racism that talks about how blind we can be to our own actions, should anyone care to read it:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommuni...ingers-rapist/

    Cheers

    D'Arcy
    Thank you for the interesting literature, and taking the time out to write so much to me.
    I'll be sure to go through all of the links.
    I'm still a fairly new "feminist" just having been opened up to gender equality through a LGBTQ class taken in college.
    In my personal opinion going into this picture I do not feel she fits into being objectified. however, I want her and myself to be taken seriously.
    so while thinking through out the day, about the responses i received earlier and taking multiple steps back,
    I've decided to change her appearance, taking a backseat on my own opinions about what is and isnt an acceptable representation of women for the success of my message, and i get to draw more things!
    im still really bummed I wont be able to paint her torso.

    I'll have to take this version to a class outside of my school, ahah, because i think they might recognize my work.

    again thank you, for showing me this literature.
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