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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Well the consideration is this for the intuos 4 or 5.

    I first just recommend getting an extra USB cable for either device. I swear the ones that come with the tablets are ...cheap And you can get a cheap one that is better built.

    Now for the next set of questions. It depends what you want. I will say that having a wireless option (and I bought the wireless kit which is an extra 40) is nice. Bluetooth has been touted as a bit slow, and I think the USB receiver is pretty flawless. In fact, I tend to get better response time with the keys and touch ring for whatever weird reason.

    If wacom can kindly state the "nominal fee" we're looking at if the tablet gets scratched it would be nice. I think someone bought the http://amzn.com/B007IWKQQQ cover and said it was a bit slick in the review. Not sure if someone else in the thread has tried it. It's about 15 extra.

    I think the express keys are laid out better than the 4. I just hate how the touch ring center button responds. However, the wheel is great. I use it when I need to web surf. You can also turn the HUD off if you don't like it.

    If you like the OLEDs don't care about potential wireless swap in (which you have to buy the intuos4 bluetooth if you really want it) Go with an intuos 4.

    I'm getting along better with my intuos5 though I'm still waiting for those driver updates so my computer can finally sleep when my tablet is plugged in the PC. That and the other bugs that has me so irritated.

    -snip- (it's wauh-com dammit )

    Thank you for the reply Arshes Nei. I went looking for sellers again and guess it'll be easier for me to get a I5 because the I4s are disappearing from eBay (as far as top sellers who ship to my country go), the seller I was going to go for already stopped selling them

    Is the cable problem a modern tablet thing? My Graphire 3's cable on the outside is transparent and you can see a silver interior cable. And although the guy from the second video said his G3 cable was failing, mine never had any problem and seems quite sturdy and thick? (or maybe I just don't take it around with me much)

    My concerns come down to:
    -which tablet is easier to use
    -having a replaceable surface vs. having touch.
    The driver problems do sound like a hassle though D: I have little idea how other features like the express keys will affect me, having never used any, so I can safely say what I want is to draw with it (and not navigate internet and computer with it, I dislike trackpads)

    I'm not sure I'll like touch though. I've seen people use it in videos when it came out but can't shake the feeling that if you have to hold the pen away from the surface in order to use the gestures, isn't that a bit impractical, or do you really get used to it?

    I'm gonna use a mouse, so if mouse mode works okay I'll have to buy a wacom mouse, otherwise just have a place on my desk for normal mouse pad. (Which is what I do now, a little bit cluttered.)

    I don't get why wireless is so good (maybe cause I never had cable problems)... I have a lot of USB space, I really only use the same PC, so as long as it's not a really short cable... On the other hand I thought of going for a small over the medium, because for someone coming from a Graphire 3 small, the medium Intuos looks pretty big.

    Someone said the non-touch I5 is like a I4 with less features, and I wondered which features they ditched from 4 that they didn't replace with something else?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elciled View Post
    Someone said the non-touch I5 is like a I4 with less features, and I wondered which features they ditched from 4 that they didn't replace with something else?
    I don't see why it's less features, it's more like things changed. No OLED but you have HUD. As I stated before it's a matter of personal preference. I didn't think the build of the intuos4 looked cheap, and mine didn't squeak. I have the intuos4 large.

    I still get skin oil smudges on the 5 so there's always a tradeoff honestly.

    As for the USB cables, yes it seems the more modern tablets seem to have this problem. The cables that are detachable are just meh. http://amzn.com/B001TH7GUK good price sturdy cable. They also sell cable extenders.

    As for wireless. After a while you do get tired of having to deal with a lot of wires. At my desktop it's not a big deal, but my laptop I just don't like having a lot of wires, it's a hassle and makes it more so when you consider portability.

    I will say having both tablets means I got more pens - because I can swap them since they're cross compatible. Art Pen I got works great too and I was a person who bought one of the first Art Pens as soon as it came out.

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    Howdy, guys.

    Had an Intuos 4 large for a while last year and used it quite a bit - was a lovely bit of kit, but I had the nib 'wobbling' issue and decided to send it back to Amazon. As my studies were getting a bit intense, I held off getting a replacement until now.

    Then I find out Wacom decided to screw the Intuos 4 line and replace it with the 5. Having seen one in person, I can say a few things.

    The rubber finish? It's actually really nice, not the type that dust will stick to. However, is it durable long term? Will it go shiny? I have no idea. I hope not. My OCD would kill me.

    The larger drawing area with the active area being shown by the 4 LEDs? Looks really cool. I actually like this feature a lot. Don't know why it's shifted to one side so much, but oh well.

    I hate how you have to wait a couple of seconds for the on screen HUD to show up when holding your finger over a button. I would have just been faster looking down at the OLEDs. Oh, and the buttons are slightly harder to depress. Oh well.

    Other than that I actually like the newer design. It's more sleek and strealined, imo.

    Now, here's my dilemma. I live in the UK, so I can grab the pen only version of the medium size - but I'm pretty sure I'd regret it after a while. I have fairly large sized monitors, and I preferred the natural feel I got from the large. I mainly freehand draw, so it's more suited to what I do anyway, imo. Now, I heard the surface sheets are NOT replaceable. Can someone please confirm if this is because wacom are not selling replacement sheets for now, or have they really glued it down? I heard they'd be charging a nominal fee later on for replacing it? Do they mean sending it back? If so, that's utter crap. I really want just a pen only version in that case, but of course, only the medium has that. I wouldn't like to screw over Amazon either by sending it back every bloody time the surface sheet got too worn down or scratched either. And of course, since the 4 is being phased out as of now, it's not much use trying to find one of those anymore. Am I just buggered?

    Wacom really likes to rustle my jimmies sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tephnos View Post
    Now, here's my dilemma. I live in the UK, so I can grab the pen only version of the medium size - but I'm pretty sure I'd regret it after a while. I have fairly large sized monitors, and I preferred the natural feel I got from the large. I mainly freehand draw, so it's more suited to what I do anyway, imo. Now, I heard the surface sheets are NOT replaceable. Can someone please confirm if this is because wacom are not selling replacement sheets for now, or have they really glued it down? I heard they'd be charging a nominal fee later on for replacing it? Do they mean sending it back? If so, that's utter crap. I really want just a pen only version in that case, but of course, only the medium has that. I wouldn't like to screw over Amazon either by sending it back every bloody time the surface sheet got too worn down or scratched either. And of course, since the 4 is being phased out as of now, it's not much use trying to find one of those anymore. Am I just buggered?

    Wacom really likes to rustle my jimmies sometimes.


    The intuos 5 touch models are all non replaceable overlays. The reason is the touch technology is built in the surface. If you want one that will have replaceable overlays in the future go with the non touch version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    The intuos 5 touch models are all non replaceable overlays. The reason is the touch technology is built in the surface. If you want one that will have replaceable overlays in the future go with the non touch version.
    Which pretty much leaves me stuck with the medium size. Damn it. No idea why they won't do a non touch large version. And I have no idea why the touch tech makes it completely non replaceable. I'd be fine with a more expensive surface sheet, so long as I could replace it.

    By the way, how's the rubber finish on your 5 holding up? Not going shiny is it?

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    It's not going shiny yet. I'm still wary of cracking eventually. We'll see how well this goes. I'm sure by then Wacom will have a new model on the line with more features

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    Oh man, I forgot that rubber cracks. I think it would be time to call the wacom engineers an utter failure if they forgot about something like that surely.

    On the plus side, I see there's some intuos 4 large versions over at amazon UK for really cheap. May just go back to the 4 after all. Tis a shame really, I love the looks of the 5.

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    I'm not really happy about lack of no touch L model too tbh.
    5 is looking good, but you are not missing much at the end, I think sending it to Germany to get overlay replaced is not worth it at all, get i4 while it's still possible to.

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    Yeah - I hear you. I could get used to the medium if I *had* to, but I honestly prefer the large. Having two large monitors, it just feels more natural.

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    you can use mouse mode with M so your tablet size isn't mapped directly to screen, but if you're on windows, you will lose tilt (and optional art pen rotation) information that way.
    if you only use pressure and direction data, you'll be fine.
    (there're chances of M being way too small for your typical brushstrokes, though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikken View Post
    you can use mouse mode with M so your tablet size isn't mapped directly to screen, but if you're on windows, you will lose tilt (and optional art pen rotation) information that way.
    if you only use pressure and direction data, you'll be fine.
    (there're chances of M being way too small for your typical brushstrokes, though)
    To clarify - I have the medium sitting in front of me right now. I am testing it out.

    I went with it because it was the only pen version, but yeah - think I need to go larger again. I asked wacom, and they said they'd consider a large pen only version of there was enough demand for it.

    I hope there is.

    I also asked them about the durability of the surface, and if they had done enough stress testing on it with wear and tear. "We have no further information on that". Damn.

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    on the surface durability - it will lose the matte texture within approx. a year of constant full time use (less or more depending on your personal painting habits);
    however, what happened twice with my intuos 3 a4 tablet is that surface somehow developed dents/small cavities, perhaps from something sharp falling on the tablet;
    I had to replace the surface because that small dent was in a very often used area of tablet and screwed like every 2nd brushstroke I've made;
    that's the main reason I went for no-touch intuos;
    >> I asked wacom, and they said they'd consider a large pen only version of there was enough demand for it.
    this is quite retarded imo, but if they make an official poll or something, I'll vote for L no touch asap (and will purchase it sometime later, maybe in a year or so)

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    Oh, by surface durability I did mean the rubber around the tablet itself, not the active area (unless you also meant that). My main concern is the rubber, being rubber, will wear out and smooth down to a shiny surface over time, and then crack. I want a wacom engineer to conform how much stress testing they did on that thing. Looks cool, but man, it's worrying.

    Yeah, I asked them to give me a rough idea of how much response they've seen for one thus far.

    By the way, I can't remember, did the surface of your intuos 4 file down your fingernails? I don't remember mine ever doing that. The 5 does it.

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    oh, I see. the rubber thing is interesting, since there're chances it's affected both by mechanical rubbing and, to a lesser extent, sweat and skin oil. I don't think they really tested it much, but the surface quality looks good to me (at least it's more durable than what wacom competition could offer, imo)

    > did the surface of your intuos 4 file down your fingernails? I don't remember mine ever doing that. The 5 does it.
    I never owned intuos 4, but did briefly test the first generation model. nothing odd about surface, and I don't get anything weird with intuos 5 overlay (nothing filing down), but if feels so shitty compared to i4/i3, especially right after switching.
    new users may not notice it, though.

    ironically, it's still eating nibs like crazy, even despite wacom claims it's supposed to reduce nib wear. I went through a single nib through a week, and I didn't even paint that much.

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    Huh, if I rub my fingernails against it just briefly, it looks like I scratched it. Then it brushes away and my nail has a mark on it, so if it can file my nails imagine what it does to the pen.

    The thing with that surface is yeah, it'll eventually smooth down and you'll notice it in a month. What if someone loves the surface? They'd be sending the tablet away every few months to Germany, what a crapshoot.

    Yeah, the second gen i4 and the i5 still eat nibs like crazy, just not 'as' fast as the first gen 4.

    If I get the large 4 in, I'll compare the second gen and i5 surface directly, because yeah, while I LOVE the fact that the i5 has a larger drawing area vs active area, it just feels kinda shitty when using the pen.

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