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    Book on Gesture

    Searched google but I am not finding anything and on the forums i get unrelated threads.

    I stopped using loomis's FDFAIW and honestly its just not going well with me right now.

    Now I am using Michael Hampton book and man its made a huge difference in how I see things. But are there any other book/s that solely concentrate on Gesture and Gesture drawing?
    With tons of examples and gives little nuggets of info on the side?

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    Anything by george bridgman, completely changed the way I view 3d objects.
    Hampton's book is fucking awesome, too. IMO, just go draw the entire thing first then come back.

    Also found this one pretty fascinating (It's rather exaggerated though)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Force-Dynami...0561831&sr=8-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by xyphid View Post
    Anything by george bridgman, completely changed the way I view 3d objects.
    Hampton's book is fucking awesome, too. IMO, just go draw the entire thing first then come back.

    Also found this one pretty fascinating (It's rather exaggerated though)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Force-Dynami...0561831&sr=8-1
    Oh the Force book looks pretty good I will add that to the list
    I have no doubt that Loomis book is good its just not clicking with me like Hampton's book does.

    Another site says that Atlas of Human anatomy for the artist is a good book to complement Hamptons book so i will be getting that as well.

    I was looking at Master class in figure drawing but its bit expensive and looks advanced.

    Also looking at Harold speed dynamic wrinkles and drapery.
    I think these books will be a good guide for me right now ^^

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    You already have examples in your sketchbook you have copied from Loomis so you don't need another book.

    Just do plenty of copies of the Hampton Gesture drawings then get yourself off to a few figure drawing classes or maybe here http://www.posemaniacs.com/ or some other similar place.

    Gesture drawing = Glorified stickman or woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie D View Post
    You already have examples in your sketchbook you have copied from Loomis so you don't need another book.

    Just do plenty of copies of the Hampton Gesture drawings then get yourself off to a few figure drawing classes or maybe here http://www.posemaniacs.com/ or some other similar place.

    Gesture drawing = Glorified stickman or woman.
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    Wut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
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    Wut.
    Nicolaides just rolled over in his grave. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    Nicolaides just rolled over in his grave. . .
    Say it again and he is back to normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque@xs4all.nl View Post
    Say it again and he is back to normal?
    It'll probably make the Baby Jeezus cry-- but, perhaps through his tears, he'll make a gesture drawing of N's next roll-- on cream colored paper, wearing an eyeshade. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie D View Post
    You already have examples in your sketchbook you have copied from Loomis so you don't need another book.

    Just do plenty of copies of the Hampton Gesture drawings then get yourself off to a few figure drawing classes or maybe here http://www.posemaniacs.com/ or some other similar place.

    Gesture drawing = Glorified stickman or woman.
    Pose maniacs is...mediocre, especially for people who may be just beginning. Please stop recommending it. Don't rely on any site that uses posed 3d models; many of the poses are arbitrary. Photos of actual people can be a great supplement to drawing of living, right in front of you and breathing, people.

    If you think gesture drawings are only glorified stick-figures, you're missing the point. It isn't to draw a stick figure - it's to lay down what the person is doing in (usually) a minimalistic fashion, then build the figure on top of it.

    Interestingly enough, in animation 'gesture' refers to not just a lay-in, but the story/emotion/attitude/what is that person doing!? drawing. They do tend to be pretty darn quick, and many artists use a figurative shorthand. (They are often also exaggerated for appeal and clarity)

    to the OP:
    This might be along your lines of interest if you want to draw gestures in terms of story: http://www.amazon.com/Drawn-Life-Cla...0567745&sr=8-1

    (Keep in mind that Stanchfield's books are an organized collection of his class handouts put together after his death, so it doesn't quite read like a book.)

    Here's a link to a video review, which I think are great because they flip through the book: http://parkablogs.com/node/1310

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    Maybe refined stick figure would have been a better term considering you are using C and S curves along with straight lines.

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    Mmm, interestingly, the better half agreed these looked like glorified stick figures when asked.

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    Charlie D, please stop giving people advice. Your future self will thank you.


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    I've actually found Micheal Hampton's 'Figure Drawing: Design and Invention' to be the best book on gesture I've found. The simple diagrams explaining how to get dynamic relationships using line and form completely changed how I approached the figure. The later chapters are a bit iffy but up until the torso I found it very helpful as a beginner.

    Mind you, it's just a starting point, Loomis and Hogarth go far more into detail but this was the book that made the entry simple and cleared my confusion so that I could learn more.

    ETA I totally missed that you had already read this one,I admit I had to look up the author before posting and that's why XD I'm sorry I don't have any more constructive suggestions.

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    I heard drawing and painting were just glorified lines and colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    I heard drawing and painting were just glorified lines and colors.
    Graphite, charcoal, pigments and binder, sometimes just bits and bytes. Really just atoms and electric charges...

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    Actually, I don't have a problem with CharlieD's term "glorified/refined stick figures. BUT, then you have to define "glorified". If by glorified you mean "captures the essence of the pose or action" I don't see a problem with it. On the other hand if the implication is "fancy stick figure" then yeah, misses the point entirely. Just my devil's advocate two cents.

    Edit: Of course... "glorified stick figure" does leave out any of the incredible artists working in mass and volume that capture gesture such as Henry Yan.

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    The bigger problem is gesture doesn't just apply to humans or figures, but...well everything that you're drawing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    The bigger problem is gesture doesn't just apply to humans or figures, but...well everything that you're drawing?
    Mmmm...to some extent this is true...certainly animals as well...trees and flowing water/waves to a lesser extent. You have to have a pretty expansive notion of gesture though to apply to still lifes of inorganic subjects. Though it could be said that even tranportation design, weapons, etc. could contain "gesture" in some fashion. With those types of subjects though I would refer to it more as the thing's "core", "essence" or "feel".

    So gesture or essence here?: Or does it matter/same thing?
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    But yeah, I was just kind of lightly poking fun at the notion of having to define "glorified stick figure".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    . . . . .
    Would such a gesture be useful? I just see the object captured quickly, but I doubt you can make a good looking piece of more rigid forms from that approach as it would look sloppy. I too thought that gesture was to help organize more organic forms in an appealing way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormslegacy View Post
    Would such a gesture be useful? I just see the object captured quickly, but I doubt you can make a good looking piece of more rigid forms from that approach as it would look sloppy. I too thought that gesture was to help organize more organic forms in an appealing way?
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    Well from my understanding, gesture is of course the start of the drawing. It's also what the item is doing.

    So...

    Is it a tree in the ground...?
    ..or
    Is it a tree firmly planted in the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Well from my understanding, gesture is of course the start of the drawing. It's also what the item is doing.

    So...

    Is it a tree in the ground...?
    ..or
    Is it a tree firmly planted in the ground?
    Sure...I've always thought of gesture as the essence of the thing...in that sense, which to me is pretty inclusive, I would say that the pencil sharpener does in fact have "gesture" to it. Usually though, it is used in context with things that move or have an organic quality, and most of the time in reference to human figure and somewhat with animals, so most often it refers to the esence of a pose.

    Kamber...use your words Bro! Not sure what you're trying to get across...that the pencil sharpener also has gesture?

    And sorry, didn't mean to open up a big debate, though I do think it is interesting to consider whether inanimate/inorganic things can have gesture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post

    ...that the pencil sharpener also has gesture?

    In a word: YES!

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    I suppose it depends what you mean by "gesture"... At the beginning of most drawings, and especially if you're trying to compose a whole drawing and not just an object floating in space, then most people will do some kind of rough skeleton/gesture of sorts just to figure out where things go in the drawing, how big they are, approximate form, etc...

    I guess you could call that "gesture". Seems like the debate could devolve into petty semantics, really...

    Heck, you could say the whole picture has a "gesture" (i.e., the essence of the entire composition...)

    I know I often have something like a whole-picture-gesture when I'm thumbnailing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    I suppose it depends what you mean by "gesture"... At the beginning of most drawings, and especially if you're trying to compose a whole drawing and not just an object floating in space, then most people will do some kind of rough skeleton/gesture of sorts just to figure out where things go in the drawing, how big they are, approximate form, etc...

    I guess you could call that "gesture". Seems like the debate could devolve into petty semantics, really...
    NO!

    Words mean things.

    Nicolaides is responsible for the manner in which everyone here is TRYING to use the word "gesture."

    Though, guess the art world really isn't into rigorous scholarship and textual accuracy. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    I suppose it depends what you mean by "gesture"... At the beginning of most drawings, and especially if you're trying to compose a whole drawing and not just an object floating in space, then most people will do some kind of rough skeleton/gesture of sorts just to figure out where things go in the drawing, how big they are, approximate form, etc...

    I guess you could call that "gesture". Seems like the debate could devolve into petty semantics, really...

    Heck, you could say the whole picture has a "gesture" (i.e., the essence of the entire composition...)

    I know I often have something like a whole-picture-gesture when I'm thumbnailing something.
    Yes...like I said, you can have a pretty expansive definition of gesture and I think it is valid. Personally however, I limit the term for use with figure and animals...and occasionally water or trees. I use the term character or essence for inorganic subjects or things that are not in motion; ie, a skull for example...it is organic, has character but not really gesture in the more common/limited usage of the term.

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    You can't see it sharpening a pencil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    You can't see it sharpening a pencil?
    Not really. I expect to see it sitting in a balanced way on a block of wood, tightly holding the pencil, and loosely holding the handle with its rotational axis. These are the verbs I would try to show in a gesture...

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    Nice little gesture drawing demo Kamber Parrk.

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