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    Angry Base "Art"

    Now. I really want to set something straight. I do not intend to start a flame war, but I really want to know people's feelings on this.

    If you don't know what base art is, a few examples would be;

    This thing.
    Here.

    It is essentially taking someone's art and painting a skin over it for other people to use and template over.

    Example; Someone's use of one of the aforementioned bases.

    Call me petty maybe, but I really cannot stand this.
    To me, it's extremely disrespectful. Especially when the artist then goes "Credit me when you use it!" as if it's THEIR artwork to be doing this to in the first place.

    I would hate for my work, with my ideas and my poses and my time that I put into it to get all of that right, to be used in such a way.

    And then they have the attitude to say "Just because I use bases doesn't mean I can't draw!"
    Well...if you could, why don't you prove it by actually using the image as a REFERENCE instead of just painting over it?

    I don't know, I don't mean to have a rant and rave about it, but it's been bugging me lately and I've been getting concerned seeing people adding my stuff (albeit my art isn't good, but half the time it doesn't need to be for people to 'base' it) to collections labelled as it.

    And I was entirely curious as to what a separate art community that seems to actually have a decent and realistic head on their shoulders would think of such a thing?

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    Its Deviantart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciel- View Post

    Call me petty maybe...
    You are petty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slothboy3000 View Post
    You are petty.
    Derp.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artimatum View Post
    Its Deviantart.
    I'm guessing this is the norm for the place? I've been around there a while and really found nothing but circle jerking, art thievery and this. There's a few decent artists on there, but that's about it. It's why I'm here, I need critique to improve, not people trying to get me to join their circle jerk XD.

    But on the subject on hand, is it entirely wrong of me to group them practically in with tracers? =/ Since that's technically all they're doing.

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    I had never heard of that phenomenon. It's really moronic. On one side it's copyright infringement vs the original art, on the other side, I don't really see the point in getting upset over it if they are not stealing your stuff, maybe just let the original artist know about it.

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    Are they stealing from you? selling it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Are they stealing from you? selling it?
    Selling, no idea. It's been known to happen.
    But stealing from me? Not to my knowledge. I say that because a lot of people who make these bases "Forget" who the original artist was so it's not like people could cross reference at times.

    It seems to be such a common trend and people seem to think it's okay. I just wanted to know people's opinion on the subject as a whole as opposed to asking me personally if my art's been stolen with it because I honestly couldn't tell you a 100% positive yes or no.

    On dA, you can add stuff to collections that you label yourself. I've noticed a lot adding them to things like "Stuff for bases" or "Bases" and things like that. It worries me in a way. I'll wait until it happens, but I just wanted to know people's opinions on the actual subject.

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    Wait, are the artist themselves making these "base" things, or is it some guy or gal, taking someone else's artwork and making these "bases"

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    My problems with those are mostly that tracing from anime and manga is pretty prevalent with those "bases", and that people call them as "pixel bases" when they have very little to do with actual pixel art (yes, you can see the pixels, but just drawing with MS Paint doesn't make something pixel art in my opinion).
    Usually actual pixel bases (like these:http://wish04.deviantart.com/art/Galaxy-base-104207109 ) are used to create pixel clothes etc: http://mariiiis-dolls.deviantart.com...cess-262508591

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    I find bases annoying too. The funny thing is that they're almost always drawn in an anime/manga style. Why is that?

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    I think bases are pretty cool. Now I can draw group scenes with minimal effort and still retain proffessional standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naidy View Post
    I think bases are pretty cool. Now I can draw group scenes with minimal effort and still retain proffessional standard.
    That tickled me, I'll admit XD

    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    My problems with those are mostly that tracing from anime and manga is pretty prevalent with those "bases", and that people call them as "pixel bases" when they have very little to do with actual pixel art (yes, you can see the pixels, but just drawing with MS Paint doesn't make something pixel art in my opinion).
    Usually actual pixel bases (like these:http://wish04.deviantart.com/art/Galaxy-base-104207109 ) are used to create pixel clothes etc: http://mariiiis-dolls.deviantart.com...cess-262508591
    Pixel art is usually made from scratch though right? So they are actually making it as opposed to the people I'm on about who just take someone's art and draw over it. They're not even tracing, they're just going in MS paint and painting a colour over the top for people to then put their own clothes/hair/whatever on.
    Urgh it just grinds on me. You know? People spent time and effort learning to draw the things they painted over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Wait, are the artist themselves making these "base" things, or is it some guy or gal, taking someone else's artwork and making these "bases"
    Taking someone elses work to make these bases and half the time "Forgetting" who made the original art to even credit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    It's just kids having fun. Whoop de doo.
    You say that now, but wait till one of them shows up as a Tor book cover...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artimatum View Post
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    This. Really. /thread. Any amount of energy worrying about something so trivial is wasted. Go draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    This. Really. /thread. Any amount of energy worrying about something so trivial is wasted. Go draw.
    I was just curious =/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naidy View Post
    I think bases are pretty cool. Now I can draw group scenes with minimal effort and still retain proffessional standard.
    That is genius.

    My opinion on this is the same opinion I have on recolors and tracers if these people are making the bases for people to use then sure whatever let them draw their crappy drawings till their arms fall off as long as they admit their work isnt original. If however theyre doing what I think their doing and making the bases of other peoples work then its stealing.
    btw I never got all the hate for deviantart ive definitely found a lot of shit on there but most of the stuff I come across is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerpigking View Post
    If however theyre doing what I think their doing and making the bases of other peoples work then its stealing.
    You are correct. That's the part that bothers me. They'll basically hunt through dA or some image board like Gelbooru or Pixiv, grab a few pieces, a skin tone and a medium of tablet or mouse and basically just go completely over it until the characters are blank slates.

    Here's a break down of someone's;

    Original art.

    Someone's base. See, they've basically just taken a skin tone brush and gone over it.

    What someone then does with said base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerpigking View Post
    That is genius.

    *bows* Thank you, thank you.
    Me and a mate were sparked into doing some base self portraits after reading this. It's hilarious to do. I almost recommend turning it into a small competition- because hey; if we have time to debate base use, we definitely have time to do this.

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    Here's example how you can use base to make your own orginal cool werk


    by SSPirate.deviantart.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciel- View Post
    You are correct. That's the part that bothers me. They'll basically hunt through dA or some image board like Gelbooru or Pixiv, grab a few pieces, a skin tone and a medium of tablet or mouse and basically just go completely over it until the characters are blank slates.

    Here's a break down of someone's;
    I never though about where the mediocre bases on DeviantArt originate from. Soylent green is people, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciel- View Post
    You are correct. That's the part that bothers me. They'll basically hunt through dA or some image board like Gelbooru or Pixiv, grab a few pieces, a skin tone and a medium of tablet or mouse and basically just go completely over it until the characters are blank slates.

    Here's a break down of someone's;

    Original art.

    Someone's base. See, they've basically just taken a skin tone brush and gone over it.

    What someone then does with said base.
    Well in that case BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!


    Quote Originally Posted by hu-ha View Post
    Here's example how you can use base to make your own orginal cool werk


    by SSPirate.deviantart.com
    Hell id still hit it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Naidy View Post
    *bows* Thank you, thank you.
    Me and a mate were sparked into doing some base self portraits after reading this. It's hilarious to do. I almost recommend turning it into a small competition- because hey; if we have time to debate base use, we definitely have time to do this.
    There needs to be a thread for this now it would be really funny seeing all the horrible base monstrosities people can make.
    btw why does your one remid me of wario so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hu-ha View Post
    Here's example how you can use base to make your own orginal cool werk


    by SSPirate.deviantart.com
    Would still hit- Ohhhh snap no I'm not one of those people who marries anime characters =(

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    I don't love how they're getting the bases, but I have to admit I understand the phenomenon. It's like virtual, custamizable paper dolls and I can definitely see this appealing to 11 and 12 year old girls who just want to draw pretty clothes or whatever. I can't say I see much of an issue in the idea behind it. Is it great or profound art? No, but that goes for fashion plates and decorate-barbie's-dress coloring books and I loved that crap when I was little.

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    my little sister used to use bases to do outfit designs.
    Idk, I feel like if you're actually using bases for pixel art or just as a tool for designing outfits then its fine. You're not going to be a great technical artist of course, but if that's not the goal, then its ok.

    I do see why this annoys you though. All in all, deviantart is just a giant clusterfuck......

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    Aw, this is fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erinc View Post
    I don't love how they're getting the bases, but I have to admit I understand the phenomenon. It's like virtual, custamizable paper dolls and I can definitely see this appealing to 11 and 12 year old girls who just want to draw pretty clothes or whatever. I can't say I see much of an issue in the idea behind it. Is it great or profound art? No, but that goes for fashion plates and decorate-barbie's-dress coloring books and I loved that crap when I was little.

    If you're using it to get a general grasp on fashion design like the templates designers use, then meh. But still, make your own templates or find ACTUAL templates instead of painting over something someone spent hours of their time drawing.

    It's the ones who actually use it as like, proper art, often either "THIS IS MY OC, LOLOLOLOL" or fan arts or whatever.
    Now THAT bugs me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerpigking View Post
    btw I never got all the hate for deviantart ive definitely found a lot of shit on there but most of the stuff I come across is good.
    It depends on how hard you look. I simply type in a subject I like into the search engine and favorite the stuff I like. It also helps to watch artists you like.

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    Sorry, I should clarify real quick for anyone who wasn't a little girl in the 80s. Fashion plates was a game were you did a rubbing of raised, interchangeable clothes and heads, then you colored it in. It was awesome.



    Just like fashion plates, I can see the idea of this appealing to little girls. I didnt realize people were doing this in any other capacity. Seems kind of ridiculous, but I've not spent much time on deviantART.

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