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    i think its really not nice or in good nature to use this forum as a tool to bring embarassment or ridicule to other people. I think its a poor use of public voice.

    Its just not a good deal to be though of as the guy who makes these kinds of threads.
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    I disagree.
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    When the image is a 50% opacity overlay and perfectly matches a top result google image search where it's highly doubtful he received permission, he deserves any shaming coming to him.

    People don't have any issue of threads pointing out stealing other artists work, or even strict referencing. But when it comes to photos there's a no holds bar that some people don't care. If it's your photo or you have the rights go nuts, if not and someone points out what you did oh well. Your own fault for any shaming that goes on and loss of fan base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryeh View Post
    i think its really not nice or in good nature to use this forum as a tool to bring embarassment or ridicule to other people. I think its a poor use of public voice.

    Its just not a good deal to be though of as the guy who makes these kinds of threads.
    Oh bite me. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryeh View Post
    i think its really not nice or in good nature to use this forum as a tool to bring embarassment or ridicule to other people. I think its a poor use of public voice.

    Its just not a good deal to be though of as the guy who makes these kinds of threads.

    I agree. I have found a LOT of examples and have been trying to bring this sort of thing up. But I believe I've went about it the wrong way. It wasn't to ridicule or belittle artist. It was just to talk about their methods. I believe it'll just hurt the art community as a whole, eventually. It just needs to be brought up subjectively, so we can all see a wide range of methods that are used and then leave it up to the individual to decide if it's ethical. You may get ideas from some unethical methods and find an ethical way of doing it.
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    What is the right way? I see a consumer angry about a product. Consumer happens to be a fellow artist. Consumer is upset about the content that was paid for.
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    Slightly off topic, but an interesting watch:

    Everything is a remix part 1

    Part 2:


    Part 3:


    Part 4:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    What is the right way? I see a consumer angry about a product. Consumer happens to be a fellow artist. Consumer is upset about the content that was paid for.
    Is he angry about the content or the "method" to make the product?
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    I can't help but pick at the video. Half paying attention while taking care of a dog so if I make a mistake correct me but....
    Some issues and differences:

    That doesn't account the issue of artists ripping other artists as a bad thing. "Oh fashion designers sample from other designers" no big right? But no artist likes to see others ripping off their designs. There's been huge copyright wars on this alone. I remember the threads of J Manley on the Orphaned Work act and ripping off orphaned art and designs.


    Then the demographics don't change, some rich upper class person could buy a comic the same as someone working at McDonalds.


    That topic also seemed more focused on big companies getting ripped off by knockoffs. Not big companies stealing from individual or little guys.

    Tattoo artists don't 'share' their designs. Hell I just came across a case the other day of someone making knockoff designs of artists and that person was called out by countless artists and individuals.


    The graph was a bit misleading as well. "Oh my look at these huge differences in profit" when the first item is food. Of course food is the highest item, it's what people consume to live. Clothing is what people have to wear. etc.

    The same as I have a feeling the rest was a bit misleading, like I'm sure there are people in most of those industries worried about their IP.


    There were other issues but it's not remotely the same and I'm sure many in the art community wouldn't want a low IP industry where anyone can rip off your works, especially in an industry where skillless hacks already rip off others which does hurt business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowlin View Post
    Is he angry about the content or the "method" to make the product?
    I'm not "angry" about anything. A pretty heavy eye-roll, but that's about it.
    I've already gone over why I decided to point it out, too. And as I said in the VERY FIRST POST, it was not to start a witchhunt at all.

    I don't care what people do with this information.
    As some have already said, they don't care. Some do care. That's why it's a discussion. And for that specific reason I feel absolutely zero guilt in starting a thread about it. I'd rather see debate like this rather than another "Can I interview you for my class?!" or "I just can't motivate myself to draw! what is wrong with me!?" thread.

    I don't think he should be ashamed of himself for tracing, per se, but he should be ashamed at the laziness involved in line-for-line tracing a googled, copyrighted image and then copy-pasting that same image 4 more times in the same book without trying to change line density or anything. It just looks...cheap.

    And I think a flagship title at the biggest comic publisher in the world should have a certain degree of quality for my 5 bucks, honestly.

    No regrets.
    I don't want Salvador Larroca to "suffer" or "feel the wrath of the art community". But if it makes him think about the short cuts he takes (which we all do, of course) and how to best implement them without being so transparent, I don't see a problem with that in the least bit.

    This is an art site. We critique here.
    That is my critique of his work. He (and you) can ignore it if you wish, but I stand by ever last word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    I see a consumer angry about a product.
    Ah... So there you go, he's not angry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowlin View Post
    Ah... So there you go, he's not angry.
    She may have misread my emotion a bit, but she's still right.
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