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    How Graphic is Too Graphic?

    In the realm of creation, do you feel you have a limit as to how graphic your own artwork can or should be?

    I have recently taken to sculpting with Super Sculpey. I've actually found that I am in fact far better at sculpture then I ever was at drawing or painting, which is awfully strange to me as I have had no prior experience in the past. The things I'm naturally drawn to sculpting are often sexual in nature, or at least exhibit themes of sexuality in some form, and I am worried about my prospects commercially.

    I've never actually sought to sell my stuff, but a certain gallery owner has taken interest in some of the WIP shots I've posted online - nude, pin-up style figures with a fetishistic/anthropomorphic twist, so they're pretty tame in comparison I guess.

    I'm worried about the ideas I'm having for my next few sculpts, which are going to include things such as foetuses and one that's basically going to be a giant, erect penis ejaculating out a full-grown woman covered in semen... so, things like that haha

    I'm worried about being viewed as this untouchable, graphic artist who only advertises artwork that revolve around sensitive subjects and gaining no further interest in my art.

    Can any of you give me any advice regarding the subject matter? Any past experiences you may have had, whether you have a limit on the sort of art you produce?

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    There was a similar thread about this some time back, and the general consensus on that was pretty much "if you're worried, use a nom de plume (or whatever the artist equivalent for a pen name is)".

    "I eat comics and poop stylization"
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    Though do you think it's a good thing to be associated overall with this particular kind of content?

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    I'm not sure why you posted this, but I'm glad you did because I can't stop dancing haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-eunja View Post
    Though do you think it's a good thing to be associated overall with this particular kind of content?
    Well, define "good"... If your dream is to start illustrating children's books, then no, being associated with graphic porn/etc probably won't be very good. But art industry is so varied that it's pretty impossible to just say what is good for your career and what is not, depending on what you want.

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    Yeah, I suppose that was a bit subjective.

    The problem is that I've never considered myself good enough to break into a commercial market, and now that I have some interest, I'm confused as to what direction I should take. Whether I should continue with just the tame, pretty, plump lady sculpts that seem to attract attention, or just let go and sculpt all the repulsive things I really want to create at the risk of turning some people off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-eunja View Post
    I'm confused as to what direction I should take. Whether I should continue with just the tame, pretty, plump lady sculpts that seem to attract attention, or just let go and sculpt all the repulsive things I really want to create at the risk of turning some people off.
    Well, like said, if you're worried but still want to continue, just use a different name for the other stuff. Several writers write the usual stuff on their own name, and write porn/erotic stuff on a different name.
    Like I'm pretty sure that you can ask the gallery owner to just credit your sculptures as any name you wish, as long as your contract (or whatever is used in this situation) is done right.

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    I'm certain of it.

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    Because you're a troll.

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    Seeing some of your WIPs, even planning sketches or armatures should put this to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-eunja View Post
    I don't mind posting some of my finished work some time later in the week, but I'm the kind of person who seriously lacks confidence in anything I create. Once I've finished the sculpt I'm currently working on, I don't mind submitting it for critique later on in the week once I've finished working on it but I'm not brave enough to post anything here after seeing how fantastic the majority user base is.
    So, you want to sculpt giant penises covering women in semen but you're telling us you're shy...

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    Apparently you've never heard of an outlet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-eunja View Post
    Apparently you've never heard of an outlet.
    Yes, and trolling seems to suit you perfectly.
    I'm gone.
    You'll be pleased to know... but disappointed at the same time of course.

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    I'm glad for it.
    I looked at your public profile and you've got your own website. I find your overall behaviour to be extremely embarrassing and childish for somebody who is a so-called "professional".

    We both live in the UK so Google Pinup Expo, that's the gallery that was interested in me. Their general focus is the female form and sexuality.

    Goodbye.

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    What just happened here?

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    Basically:

    "I sculpt jizzing dongs."

    Then:

    "Pics or it didnt happen."

    and that's about it really.

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    I second the notion for pics.

    But otherwise, this is kind of a non-question isn't it?

    A pseudonym solves all problems, and there's no drawback as you can reveal your real name at any time. There's no reason to wring your hands over this, use a fake name and draw whatever you damn well please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-eunja View Post
    ...gallery owner has taken interest in some of the WIP shots I've posted online - nude, pin-up style figures with a fetishistic/anthropomorphic twist, so they're pretty tame in comparison I guess.
    Just give us the address of these images. If a gallery owner has seen them and wants them, posting here should be a snap.

    Do it. DO IT!

    We'd much rather eat humble pie from someone who is going to be featured in a gallery than wonder how legit your query is. (Which has been pretty much answered anyway.)

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    I'd really much rather wait until I have something entirely finished for me to post.
    The photos of the sculpture that the gallery owner was interested in were only shitty WIP shots I posted to Facebook, which makes it even more amazing that he offered me 400 for it . __.

    But yeah, I'm terribly self concious. I think I would just curl up and die if any of my cruddy, unfinished work got out in a place like this. I still don't understand why any body would like it.

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    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=230386
    Yeah here's the similar discussion, they took it as well as this person.
    I think if you want to do controversial art you need to have a thicker skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-eunja View Post
    I'd really much rather wait until I have something entirely finished for me to post.
    The photos of the sculpture that the gallery owner was interested in were only shitty WIP shots I posted to Facebook, which makes it even more amazing that he offered me 400 for it . __.

    But yeah, I'm terribly self concious. I think I would just curl up and die if any of my cruddy, unfinished work got out in a place like this. I still don't understand why any body would like it.
    How about a trade?

    You start up a sketchbook thread and begin posting your work for critique, and I offer you this:

    Name:  shadyssj.jpg
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    Y'see back when I was 13 or so I really liked DBZ, was really bad at art, and had just discovered scanners and Photoshop.

    Yes, this is a real thing I drew and colored. I even worked real hard on it, back then.

    P.S. The most embarrassing part? Choosing the image categories and description in the 'Manage Attachments" window.

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    Dude, this is amazing.

    You have no idea how much I worshipped Vegeta when I was a kid!You have all of my love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anid Maro View Post
    How about a trade?

    Y'see back when I was 13 or so I really liked DBZ, was really bad at art, and had just discovered scanners and Photoshop.

    Yes, this is a real thing I drew and colored. I even worked real hard on it, back then.

    P.S. The most embarrassing part? Choosing the image categories and description in the 'Manage Attachments" window.
    Do you get very sad if I say "THANK GOD YOU GREW UP!!!" ...?

    Then again, I think the perspective of the character is very impressive considering you were 13



    @ the-eunja: Get it over with! You already admitted to doing it, and since you are with a bunch of artists I bet >90% can already visualize to greater or lesser extend what you are talking about!
    ...However, if you want to make excuses for not posting you could at least use the "respect for minors".

    Remember that people like H.R. Geiger...Gieger...?... has cult status!

    EDIT: Sorry, missed your post too :p Well, for all it's worth I do respect and admire your courage

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    Yeah sorry, I did reply to to somebody's earlier post but for some reason my reply was awaiting moderation, whereas the DBZ post went through straight away so it looked like I was ignoring some critique.

    But thanks x

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnersquad View Post
    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=230386
    Yeah here's the similar discussion, they took it as well as this person.
    I think if you want to do controversial art you need to have a thicker skin.
    Thanks very much for the link, very helpful x

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    I think what Chris is missing is the sad fact that there are people whose level of taste does run to the pornographic or scatalogical. This is why he assumed the OP was a troll.

    The shyness thing only adds to the creepiness of the OP. People who hide out for long stretches and then suddenly expose genitals in public are generally called flashers. Wouldn't want to shake his hand, if you know what I mean.

    Though... We all want to be open minded here. And we aren't prudes. But, there must be sites out there for art-porn/erotica where people are looking for just the sludge the OP seem randy to proffer. This site tends to be more traditionalist, presenting art where the charge comes from the talent, not the titilation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    I think what Chris is missing is the sad fact that there are people whose level of taste does run to the pornographic or scatalogical. This is why he assumed the OP was a troll.

    The shyness thing only adds to the creepiness of the OP. People who hide out for long stretches and then suddenly expose genitals in public are generally called flashers. Wouldn't want to shake his hand, if you know what I mean.

    Though... We all want to be open minded here. And we aren't prudes. But, there must be sites out there for art-porn/erotica where people are looking for just the sludge the OP seem randy to proffer. This site tends to be more traditionalist, presenting art where the charge comes from the talent, not the titilation.
    Well, if it helps, I'm not a creepy flasher by any means; I just find the subject matter to be completely fascinating. I can totally understand where you are coming from though.
    I'll have to buy some batteries for my camera today and I'll take some pictures of sculpture the gallery was initially interested in and post it to the critique section of the website later tonight and you can judge me based on that; though I have that embarrassed feeling having seen how much greater the other sculptors on this site are.

    I do hope I'm not coming across as some tryhard, speshul-snowflake with my themes though. I'm not trying to be forced or anything like that, but in all honesty, something like a woman bursting from an erect phallus whilst drowning in semen was something I genuinely considered to be "not that weird" haha

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    EDITED:

    Ok the post you made after Anids master piece ( ) is showing up now. I could not see it earlier.

    so I'll reserve the sad cheerleader...BUT SHE MIGHT COME BACK IF NO JIZZING DONG WOMEN ARE FORTHCOMING!



    That's a promise.

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    So I just took two raw photos of the sculpture I was last working on... I say last because I actually haven't touched it for 2 months and instead chose to leave uncovered in a corner of my room. The Sculpey has since become brittle and dirty, I've also knocked it over a few times which explains why some of detail has become squashed.

    It looked a hell of a lot better before I abandonned her, as she at one point has both her antennae and lovely, big snails shell protruding from her back as well.

    The reason I haven't touched it in a while is because half way through I realized that the wire I've used for the frame is far too thin and likely to crack should I attempt to bake it. That and I'm having problems getting her to sit up since attaching her head, which I did initially intent to resolve by baking steel ball bearings somewhere around her knees to balance her.

    I'm considering just destroying it at this point as it's fallen into pretty disgusting condition and I'm pretty ashamed of the overall quality. Even so, I'm open to critique, so fire away.



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