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February 20th, 2012 #1
Spartan Camp #215 - 50 gestures + Optional "Movie Gestures Study"
Spartan Camp #215 - 50 gestures + Optional "Movie Gestures Study"
The aim is to produce 50 gestures by Sunday the 26th of February.
- The gestures can be of anything, human, animal, cavorting capybaras.... You can draw full figures, but you can also go for heads, arms, eyes, or anything specific. All media can be used, both digital or traditional. Coloured or black/white. Quick scribbles or long studies. Imagination or referenced. Clothed or nude. Specifics are up to you!
- In addition to this, participants can choose to do an Optional "Movie Gestures Study", in any medium.
Additional notes on this weeks’ Optional Study:
Simple plan. You take any movie or animated picture from which you can gather gestures. Can be human or animal, as long as it involves figures in motion. You pick some gestures from this movie and draw them. It would be especially interesting to get a couple of them, possibly showing movement or indicating an action. At least make sure the figures are clear. You can take screenshots, or simply pause. No need to go for really intense studies, quick gestural sketches will suffice!
You can use just about any reference. From feature films to music videos or dancing, from wildlife documentaries to random clips on youtube. Animation counts too. You can also use your television. If you happen to be at a complete loss for material, there's also a variety of websites with screenshots.
Next weeks study will be a more intense one, so we're keeping it simple this week!
Next weeks study:
Single Long Study (This will span two weeks, from reference, and will include many reference sources)
As always- reference advised, not obligatory. Colour, medium, time frame, any specifics are up to you! Good luck and have fun! And feel free to ask questions!
50 poses is a challenge, but don't hurry or stress yourself reaching it! Focus on drawing, as practising is the main goal of this exercise.
Criticizing each other is highly encouraged!! Share constructive criticism, reference images and resources!! Let's help each other get better!
Come on soldiers! Flex those muscles!!
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February 20th, 2012 #2
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I'm not a specialist on this thing though, you probably know more than I do. Just a heads up!
February 21st, 2012 #3
Hi - just wondering if anyone can participate? And if so do we just post up our gestures in the thread?
February 21st, 2012 #4
alizak: any one is welcome, just post your works in this thread, each week there is a new thread with new optional activities
So the first four swordsmen are from my mind,
then a bunch of comic book quick poses,
followed by The Walking Dead (tv show) poses + The Last samurai
not to in depth yet hard pressed for time as always,
February 21st, 2012 #5
Great I will post up some gestures tomorrow - thanks AdrianNagorski
February 21st, 2012 #6
Man, finding good poses/screencaps took longer than drawing them. I'll complete all 50 poses this time.
Today I learned I don't understand clothing!
February 22nd, 2012 #7
Okay here are my first 15 gestures - will do some more tomorrow. I know that I definitely need to work on loosening up and producing cleaner lines. I'm hoping by doing 50 of these a week that it will help me achieve better gestures.
February 22nd, 2012 #8
Go easy on me Im rusty
Littlebones those are great. The legs on clueless r great. I wonder if the head is too small. Halifax?? I lived there for 5 years! I love that town, moved to Ontario last year
Adrian Wow! awesome ! you have progressed. Great action, some proportion issues
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February 22nd, 2012 #9
welcome back obacmar! ye, the lines are a bit scribbly.
ah, but thenI was gonna watch mine too. and all I did was this-
from memory, trying to draw my son, looking peeved as one of the horses licks his toys.
February 22nd, 2012 #10
Welcome to Spartan Camp, hope you stay awhile and learn the ropes with the rest of us . Good start to your gestures.
Welcome back? Unless i'm mistaken I've not seen you in Spartan Camp for a couple of rounds. Good sketch dump you've laid out, your gestures are demonstrating flow so they look good.
Good stuff mate, Some of the stuff feels like the lean a bit too much, but overall its a solid set of gestures. Keep em coming.
Apart from number 4, I think those are fairly static poses. They're a good set of studies nonetheless but you'll probably get more of a challenge if you find a movie purely about kicking ass. Thus it would probably be an idea to go download a Bruce Lee or a Van Damme film.
The proportions seem alright, I just think the curve to his spine feels forced.
This was a hard 50 to get to. I tried working from imagination on more than a few of these and spent a lot of time figuring out the pose. I'm still very weak at working without reference. Still patience and dedication and that'll change hopefully. >.<
The first page (gray background) are all 5minute poses (some went over by a few minutes). The second page are gestures. I've decided to extend my gesture time to two minutes. that way I get my usual 60 second gestures plus embellishment to bring out the pose. Doing 60 second gestures makes me feel like its too abstract since you're spending more time trying to get rhythm and flow over contour and detail. Nonetheless here it is.
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February 23rd, 2012 #11
some Burne Hogarth studies, some pose manics - a crazy pose that i struggled ages on
the female with her hands up over her chest. then simply some animals. Avoided doing value in these.
Little-Maiden: showing good skill with the quick one minuters, i cant just gesture like that i want to finish the whole drawing lol,
so i notice some of your fore arms go super thin or odd blocky, i use a long oval shape on these, almost egg shape the end near the
elbow is a tad fatter and then thins out., easier to have symmetry with both arms?? its because you use straight lines for most gestures
i think if you start adding curve lines to certain parts of the body your work will blow peoples minds. well the gestures. . . yada yada LOL
Obacmar: its been awhile man! Good to see you around here parts again! bring the LOOMIS!!!
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February 23rd, 2012 #12
Here are the rest of my gestures - and I will do the movie gestures too, just need to go hire a dvd first . I'm quite happy with a few of them, but in general I need to do a lot of work, my line quality is not good and I avoid hands and feet like the plague. I'm definitely enjoying this exercise though - I'm sure after a few more weeks I will start to improve.
I feel like I am too much of a newbie to critique other people's gestures
February 23rd, 2012 #13
The red is from imagination
alizak- those are great! perfect proportions. Go for the hands
adrian - the muscle studies are DOPE! The animals in the Btm. Rt. are really cool too. I love this set
maiden - Solid consistency. only crit is the static shading can make the form look flat like a cardboard cutout, but it is a real real cool stylized effect.
ashess- noice horse anatomy i find the eyes on your characters need attention
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February 23rd, 2012 #14
Everybody's looking better and better! I'll wait to do a full crit on Sunday.
Obacmar: Thanks man, and Halifax is a pretty sweet place! Except the whole city is on strike right now! I think you're right about her head being too small.
Little-Maiden: That's what I was going for when I looked at Buffy, but it was completely devoid of cool action shots! I'll take your advice for the remaining poses for the week. I don't watch a lot of action films, you see.
Here's some moar stuff. One of these is from imagination. It is a mystery!
I'm so rusty it's heinous.
edit: Should clarify, these are all 60 seconds.
February 23rd, 2012 #15
This looks like fun, i'll post some quick ones i did today. First one is from imagination, no refs. Second one is a mix of photo and posemaniacs. I'll comment on other peoples work when i come back to upload another batch.
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February 24th, 2012 #16
I guess thats it from me this week, unless i mange to squeeze
one or more hours in, going to uni full time and working night shifts
sucks a$$, makes it feel so much more rewarding when i'll finally
succeed at working as a full time artist.
Bittersweet People Bittersweet.
February 24th, 2012 #17
Hey everybody! I wanted to join spartan camp earlier but didn't know if anyone could join so here is my first bit..
the first page is 4 sides of a posemaniacs model.
The second page is from the opening chase in Casino Royale..
And the third is a silly looking sequence from Clockwork Orange .
The last bit I post before deadline and I'll try to give some helpful reply!
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February 24th, 2012 #18
Hi guys, havent much time so i did only 25 of them, 25left.. The peanut shapes dont exlude.. i tried diffrent medias, last one is charcoral others are mechanical pencil, one blue ballpoint pen and blue pencil.
Good news: From 22.march i starting take still-life classes, hurray!
Bad news: Nude classes were full and next classroom they open after may mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Gibi, Ixallus, Obacmar, Aalizak Welcome guys!
Have no advice or critique to anyone, everyone of you doing best and i can only wish you, do not stop draw and just draw and draw, for fuck, i say drooooooooaaaawww!
Anyone for 100 60sec gesture CHALLENGE?
btw, what's the meaning of the star promotion?
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February 24th, 2012 #19
February 24th, 2012 #20
A little late this time.
Little-Maiden On your previous question, I was testing and tweaking these MyPaint brushes :
eclip-se Nice stuff, challenge accepted
Was struggling a little bit this time.
No sticky figure => no human proportion
The first one minutes tries were just too horrible (keep them secret, keep them save).
1 - 40, mostly 1 to 2 minutes
41 - 50 some creative madness to get my mood up
February 25th, 2012 #21
Did some gestures from Twilight: New Moon last night. I'm almost too embarassed to even type that! But seriously I have no movies at home and it was the only thing I could find at the library that I thought would have some interesting poses - boy was I wrong!
February 25th, 2012 #22
I only participated in spartan camp once before and that was ages ago! So here I am again. I hope this would help me with really quick gesture drawings, something which I seem to be super crappy at.
I drew these from posemaniacs.com under 30 seconds setting. It's so crazy quick and I'm so unused to it, I think the next time I do it I'm going to adjust it to 90 seconds, the longest interval available there.
I used Derwent Studio colour pencil in Kingfisher Blue...ok not that you need to know that but I bought this pencil on open stock because I wanted to test different brands of colour pencils and I just happen to really hate it; it's streaky, low concentration of pigment and has very poor performance for a supposedly artist grade colour pencil, so I just want to use it up .
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February 25th, 2012 #23
February 25th, 2012 #24
lo, half an hour @ drawing. half an hour @ crittings other ppl's work. I'm a lazy ass. anyway, I did concentrate on this one. tried to use less scribbly lines.
dont be shy we're all here to learn.. I hope :p
I dont think there's anything with your lines per se.. it's just that they are either left-in construction lines, or contour linkes.
if at all you can see lines in the real world, they will reach in from the silouette into the figure at a lot of places. try and look for those lines.
and ye, next time doing 50 feet or hands might be good for you. or faces
#21- well, there's always youtube ye these feel a bit unispired; espec next to your last batch, which I really liked a lot.
@obacmar- ye horses. I drew them long before I dared my hand @ humans. haha!
I see the famous lower arm movement. have you got the accompanying muscle version? I believe it's the other way around, but that's still only m guess.
@little bones- I like what you're doing a lot! using the lines alternatively to show direction or volume; whichever seems more interesting at the time. I'd push that farther.
figure 6 has a bit of an elongated back.
@Ixallus- fun? FUN?! this IS SPARTA!!!
haha.anyway, really like the shading on the 2nd page. you're a bit messy with the lines; I'd use less and try to be sure. the imagination ones all have lower torso/ hips issues. I'd study those.
@Adrian- ah; sounds hard. sometimes I forget how lucky I am. you're doing good; you seem to have some issues with placing one thing in front of the other though. let overlap happen; it's valid.
@gibi- nice style; espec on the first. you're getting a bit messy later. what's worse, you're skewing and distorting your figures; most notedly loosing sight of the proportions between lower and upper body. really like the cartoon fight sequence btw.
@eclip-se- dont exclude...eh not included you mean? anyway, good output, reallylike the stylized horses.
in the figures the stylization feels a bit forced; espec as a lot of proportions are off; measure first!
hmm...then some of mine. I'd crit, but what to say about perfection, no?
@MartinC I love the way you depict feet! especially the hig-heeled once. LOVE it. that sayd, I think a little time going beyond the silouette would do you good. espec depth exploration; 3d space of the body. I notice in freestyle you kind of get lost in that too.
ooh. did do a horse on the 'blackboard' wall @ the horses today. took a photo /bout 10 min.
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February 25th, 2012 #25
Finished. I don't know what's up with me but I'm just going backwards in skill. I did take Little Maiden's advice and borrow my roommate's Bruce Lee movies, haha. Then I got bored and went to So You Think You Can Dance, but man.
These are just bad, I'm sorry.
Thanks to those who gave comments (and to everyone else for joining, the more the merrier!), I'll provide some commentary tomorrow!
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AdrianNagorski-- I hear you on working overtime and then squeezing out any extra time for art-- I'm doing the same thing and it's hard. But I've been following weekly and I gotta say, I'm really seeing you improve over time. Keep doing what your doing. If I could offer any helpful cc, it would be to watch the tilt of your faces, then seem to be leaning at times to one side. Still, I think you're doing really well, keep it up!
littlebones-- clothes are rough, but great clueless poses! Nice fluidity in your second post, and some really cool action shots. I REALLY like number 16, I donno why, I think it's just that you've got the top right, and the bottom right, and are showing us a nice curving spine. I have heard advice to "imagine the spine" but through all the front bits it can be really tricky. You've done this really well in your gestures. And no, you're NOT going backwards. And of course don't apologize. First, these aren't easy poses, second, everyone has off days (and weeks). Combine tough poses and feeling bad about art and boom- recipe for disaster. When I'm feeling down I like to draw something I know how to draw really well. For me, that's irises and eyes in a very particular pose. I really love the shading in the iris. It's simple, but requites a bit of thinking, and I'm good enough at it to cheer myself up. If you don't have something like that, may I recommend the iris But really, I think you're doing very well. And working through the rough spots is the hardest part about improving imho. If it was all improvement all the time, everyone would be working on art 10 hours a day, and by the end of the month we'd all be pros.
alizak-- hehe, I couldn't help but smile at your comment that you need to "work on loosening up and producing cleaner lines", I smiled because I feel the exact same way, but at the same time it sounds a bit like an oxymoron, don't you think? Your gestures look good. A little stiff at first, but you warmed up a lot by your second post.
Obacmar-- good movement in your gestures! I worry sometimes about doing stick figures because it's harder to catch proportion issues, however I'd say you did pretty well! Hard to tell if something is being foreshortened though. Putting some body lines in would help me in offering cc.
ashess-- I've really seen you improve here in the last month. REALLY. I mean, when you first started doing side by side photo studies I could tell you were struggling, but now it seems like you're growing much more confident and accurate.
Little-Maiden-- Nice clean 5 minute studies. When working from imagination, are you referencing, and then putting away a picture, then returning to it when you're stuck? I find this to be a helpful process myself. Your women are very fluid, a couple of your men look a little blocky though. But I know it can be hard to find male life drawing models on the interwebs… it's one of my bit irks.
Ixallus-- nice imagination work, very dynamic. The studies are also quite well achieved. Though I notice you've gone a little wide at the hips in both imagination and studies.
Gibi-- Love the shading in the second sub. This really pops the figures out. Good dynamic too.
eclip-se-- Great economy of line. Also you handle perspective nicely. The line drawings in pen are strong and the shading on the one adds a lot of interest. The 60 second poses got away from you in a few places, but don't that's also the nature of 60 second poses…
MartinC-- I've been really enjoying, and learning a lot from, your posts. Also very much appreciate open source =D The 1-2 min gestures are looking strong. An observation-- your ladies have really long legs, but I actually am into that style, so for me it's not a cc, unless you're not trying to make them stylish, in which case I guess the legs could get a bit shorter.
kayness-- welcome! for me 60 seconds is barely enough time to do anything, so personally I can recommend 90 (and could probably not even spit on the page fast enough at 30 seconds!). I actually like the blue pencil, haha. I think the color is pretty, so I don't mind if you use it up here! Great work for 30 seconds though, I'm eager to see some longer poses. It's hard to offer cc with such short poses because in many cases there is just not enough info per pose to know if you're struggling with a particular anatomy, or just struggling with time. Still, for 30 seconds I think you did well.
February 26th, 2012 #27
February 26th, 2012 #28
Alright! Here we go!
Adrian: Walking Dead was a good choice! I noticed in an earlier Spartan Camp someone said your work has a bit of a "slant", and I can still see that showing up in some of the first gestures there. Spider's rad, and I notice you're looking closely at form now. You've gotten better in the last month!
alizak: Try to think of form more and not just line when you do gestures (which I see a little in #43!) Also, as for hands and feet, just draw a bunch of them. At first they'll seem to suck, but just keep at it, eventually they won't seem so daunting and simplifying them for quick gestures becomes easier.
Obacmar: Not much crit to offer! You're good at catching movement in short time periods.
ashess: I'm diggin that horse. Try to be more bold/confident with your lines, maybe do a half hour or so of some deliberate exercises. It's been really hard to get out of using scratchy lines, myself. I still totally do. And yeah, that back... it's a problem, haha.
Little-Maiden: I never really have any good advice for you, you're obviously a hard worker & know what you're doing. Always nice to see you still participating.
Ixallus: Watch those scratchy lines! Some of the legs might be a little too long, also. Nice work, and I like your avatar, haha.
Gibi: Oooooh so nice and clean. Some of the posemaniacs (I'm guessing?) ones get a bit out of hand, but some of that foreshortening is madness, so I'm not judging. The Casino Royale ones are especially good, really really dynamic.
eclip-se: Oooookay I will drooooaaawww! Exciting that you're gonna be taking life drawing classes, that's sweet. Of your gestures I think I enjoy the pen ones the best, and those horses are really quite good.
MartinC: Nice gestures, but the creative stuff rules. I love #48 and 49 especially, they're just fun, I dunno.
kayness: Welcome, and keep coming back! As zy. said, 30 second poses are seriously tough at first, it's easier to start with 90-second ones, do a longer study, then work down to 30 seconds. Use Pixelovely's class option, it's really helpful, and it's better to draw from real models than Posemaniacs. I find the Posemaniacs poses stiff and artificial (of course they are, haha), personally, so for a practice like gestures where you're trying to capture movement & the feel of the pose, it's not the best tool.
zy.: Dude, thanks for the comment! It helps to hear encouraging words. And yeah, it's definitely been a rough week for drawing. One of the things I have been trying is to think of the spine, so I'm glad it's coming through. I'll draw some fun stuff today to shake off all that studying.
Hope I didn't miss anyone!
February 26th, 2012 #29
Hey everyone.. here is the last bit (I don't like em but anyway).First page a bunch of homeless people. Second some more posemaniacs I did this morning. Next time I'll work much harder plus I have more time.
I'll at least comment on everyone and even if you know the things I mentioned already I will
just try and tell you what I think.
AdrianNagorski: I like the walking dead poses,with the swordsmen from imagination, the once
from the back I always try to remember the diamond shape on the transition from lower back
to the buttocks. The muscle studies you posted later on look great!
Littlebones:I also skipped through the chase scene I did on my second page way too much..I
think by now I memorized the entire scene. I've been studying these pages about folds in
clothing, If you don't know it you should check it out!
about the mystery gesture I think its the one between 8 and 13 that you didn't give a number
. Oh, while I just finished writing I noticed your kind words. Thank you very much!
Alizak: About loosening up..I noticed that when drawing a few poses in 15 to 30 seconds
before you start with the pages you intend to do forces you to draw more fluid lines .If you
use these in the same tempo as construction lines in the ones with more time it should help.
And I don't believe anyone is too noob to give feedback or critique on anothers
work since you always might see something the other has overlooked.
Obacmar: As stated earlier its hard to tell with stick figures..wrap some cilinders around
these sticks afterwards . Also for the more defined ones with a lot of black lower the
opacity so it stays more clear what lines belong where.
Ashes: Nice choice with the sequence! Thanks for taking your time to give some feedback!
Yeah I'm working to fix my distortions.. It used to be much worse. I used to draw everything
as if I looked through a wide angle lens, now that's fixed but I still need lots of work on
Little-Maiden: Awesome solid gestures! Maybe you could try curving those shading lines more
so it appears less flat at some places?
Ixallus: nice energetic lines!
Gibi: You suck! Go practice!
Eclip-se: I like the blue pen! And your page of fat worms!
MartinC: lovely, especially 41 to 50 .
Kayness: I really like the second page! and thank you!
Zy: Thank you very much!
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February 26th, 2012 #30
Gibi, that link is awesome, thank you! Also, I hadn't noticed I didn't give that pose a number... I was wondering why I had counted 20 but only wrote down up to 19. So, pose 20 is the made up one, cause I thought I had lost a pose and so I made one up on the spot.