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    Looking for a chart about artist development

    I am looking for a chart that surfaced on the forum some time ago.

    It basically detailed the various stages of an artists development from beginner to master.

    It was a circular chart if memory served (or graph?) where there were several stages outlined and the characteristics of each stage and how the person evolved into the next stage.

    If someone can tell me the name of the chart, or the author of the chart, or link to it or anything I'd be very grateful.

    Thanks!
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    This one ?

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    Intermediate is the hardest, because all the easy and obvious stuff is out the way.

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    Notice how there isn't an "I'm a Pro, I'm satisfied with my work" section.

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    I like that chart! The problem with it though is that it doesn't go past professional.. ah well. I must be somewhere around the green

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Challie View Post
    I like that chart! The problem with it though is that it doesn't go past professional..
    That's one of the points.

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    sweet I passed Pro - do I collect 200$ on my way to the perpetual cycle of study and practice?

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    sounds like fidgety and obsessive is a good trait for an artist.
    I think there's still hope for me!

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    Thanks for posting that chart up here. It seems this is the right one, it covers all the steps I remember, but I remember it being different somehow... There were illustrations, and instead of a single layer it seems there were multiple layers with different descriptions, although that could just be a bad memory playing tricks on me.

    Anyway thank you for posting this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    Notice how there isn't an "I'm a Pro, I'm satisfied with my work" section.
    Well, actually, when you talk with someone who's very good and has been a pro for a long time, they know that they are good and they aren't dissatisfied with their work (usually, there are insecure ppl everywhere.) They still want to improve and become even better but it's very different from the glorification of self-loathing that I sometimes see around here.

    It's ok to like your own art, but it' not a reason to stop working hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qitsune View Post
    Well, actually, when you talk with someone who's very good and has been a pro for a long time, they know that they are good and they aren't dissatisfied with their work (usually, there are insecure ppl everywhere.) They still want to improve and become even better but it's very different from the glorification of self-loathing that I sometimes see around here.

    It's ok to like your own art, but it' not a reason to stop working hard.
    QFT : )
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    Oh I don't mean it in a self loathing "Oh god I suck" way. More so in the I still have more to learn way. Someone can be a pro and be a complete expert in figure drawing or some area, have expertise in this this and that, but rarely delves into these other zones where if they did they might be quite the beginner in a sense with plenty to learn. There aren't many people I've seen that are at the pinnacle in every aspect.

    Though there are probably some artists that finish their paintings and sit there and say "Damn.... .... I'm the shit" and they are instead of "Hmmm.... this could use some work, that bugs me, this is a bit off".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepulverture View Post
    Thanks for posting that chart up here. It seems this is the right one, it covers all the steps I remember, but I remember it being different somehow... There were illustrations, and instead of a single layer it seems there were multiple layers with different descriptions, although that could just be a bad memory playing tricks on me.

    Anyway thank you for posting this up.
    I don't know if it's what you're looking for but after JL Alfaro posted that image that he made, Jason Manley chimed in and talked about how there were differing levels of competence and awareness of competence, so I made this going off of JL's chart;

    Looking for a chart about artist development

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    very inspiring

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    What would be awesome is if some highly skilled artists and/or professionals plotted in their improvement meme thumbnails into this chart. I would totally do it, but I don't have anything past the "studies begin/study-practice-study" phase, so it wouldn't be very impressive. But I love the improvement meme, and that along with this chart are incredibly motivating to keep on truckin'. Study-practice-study-practice-study-practice!

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    You should include bat shit crazy in the chart some where.....or is that all inclusive in ego?

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    Clowes told a story how the first panel he was ever on was comprised him, Robert Crumb, Gilbert Hernandez, Peter Bagge and Burne Hogarth. Hogarth spent the entire panel yelling at the independent cartoonists on the panel, saying how they were horrible artists.

    “He spent almost an entire hour saying how we were the worst artists who ever lived,” recalled Clowes. “It was an audience full of young, hipster kids who wanted to see Robert Crumb and Crumb was not saying a word because Hogarth was rambling on. People started yelling out, ‘Shut up, old man!’ and finally Crumb just slowly leaned back in his chair and did a pratfall. Hogarth didn’t miss a beat, though, he just kept on going. I literally did not say aword on that panel.”

    “But Hogarth, for sure!” Clowes said bringing the discussion back to the initial match-up. “Hogarth was the real thing.”
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    Ego eliminated. I laughed. It's true. Until you can not take it personal that someone critiqued your stuff your likely not going anywhere.

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    As far as I can tell after meeting ppl like Michael Whelan, Todd Lockwood, Greg Hildebrandt, Iain McCaig and Greg Manchess, batshit is optional, heck, even ego is optional.

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    A not so complicated one.

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