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January 31st, 2012 #1
weeping buddha WIP
Hello people, I'm working on an image of a scene and I need your help. This scene is in forest with sunlight coming through, 2 characters reacting to their friend's death in front of huge weeping buddha statue.
I made two thumbnails to start thinking about composition. I'm trying to get the lighting and value balance right in this pass. The first image is vertical composition with the statue standing alone. The second is horizontal composition with statue half buried in a huge tree. Any comments/feedback is appreciated.
*Edit*moving the images to the next post.
Last edited by raqmo; February 7th, 2012 at 05:54 PM.
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I like the first one a bit better than the second. It seems more easily readable, and it sorta has a nicer tonal structure. But do a jillion more little thumbs! Search for Loomis' informal composition process. It's a great tool for cranking out lots of variations on an idea that are well laid out and grounded. Good luck!
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January 31st, 2012 #3
Don't make it so literal. The first one image is like saying, "The the reeking, putrid, disgusting garbage smelled bad."
From the description, the reader knew the garbage smelled bad, no need to say it.
A weeping buddha can be pictured less forward than that.
My SketchBook http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=139784
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=192127"Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."-John Huston, Director
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January 31st, 2012 #4
rseward: yeah I agree the first one is more clear. I do like the idea the statue is buried in the wall of trees in the second one...
OmenSpirits: I assume you are talking about the posture of the statue. Yes I agree the pose is too literal. "weeping buddha" idea came from someone who requested this illustration. There's actually chinese statue named weeping buddha, and it has this specific pose..which I personally don't like. My client wants me to include this specific figure as main piece in the composition. I'd rather put more subtle gesture. I totally agree with you!
This is interesting question for you guys...when we are working with client who gets ideas that doesn't work nicely, how much should we fight against it? This is one of my dilemmas I always get and frustrated...
Well, I tried 2 more horizontal composition really quick. I think I'm looking for calm, serene scene hinting this tragic event in a subtle way. Longer horizon seems to set the atmosphere calmer I feel.
first post's images are here:
Last edited by raqmo; February 7th, 2012 at 05:55 PM.
February 1st, 2012 #5
still working on composition and value. Well, after thinking through regarding the feedback, I thought I can go for 2 directions.
The problem of the 1st image was the statue catching too much attention. Since the posture of the buddha is not my focal point it should be toned down.
1. Focus on the character
Let's focus on the incident and try to capture the emotions by gestures of the character. I want to focus on the most important characters here, and decided to cut the third one out. Having the third character gives more weight to the environmental composition which I don't intend to do here.
BTW the main character is one armed.
2. Use buddha wisely
For this one I changed the resolution to widescreen. I thought having longer horizon would help to give a sense of scale. In this one I added 2 more statues, all covered by gigantic roots. In this way hopefully... with weathered look, the gesture of buddha won't bother too much. I want to play with light and shadow, especially with the placement of characters.
February 2nd, 2012 #6
Hello people, here's update. I want to work on both options as much as I can. I like painting mossy forest, and I miss doing character stuff. It's been a while since the last time I painted character...so...
Today's update is a quick color study of option #2. My stuff tends to get monochromatic, so I'm careful keeping the hue vibrant. In this pass I am trying to get the general color scheme and atmosphere. Shout out your thoughts/concerns.
Option#1 color pass may be coming soon.
February 3rd, 2012 #7
February 6th, 2012 #8
Hello, I'm keeping marching in solo, guys!
I didn't mean to jump on to details like this, but it kinda happened naturally. Maybe this is wrong. I'll be extra cautious not to lose the hue in this process.
This will be a long project. Like the dragon painting I've been working on,
I'm expecting to go through tons of revisions from now on.
This is an experiment for training myself to create "finished" concept art. This guy told me I need to push myself to the direction. Hopefully once I go over this wall of "doneness", I will understand something about painting...
February 7th, 2012 #9
ShiroYama: Thanks for the comment! Yay agreement!
worked a bit more again. feels like I'm going back and forth between blocking and detailing. almost feels like I'm breaking the balance of the composition...
well, I heard once... in order to push it further it's necessary to break through what you created. so I guess I'm going to the right direction...?
I mean this version looks much stronger for sure, isn't it?
February 29th, 2012 #10
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the trees to the far right look like they're lit from our right and maybe a bit from behind, while the trees in the middle (our left of the buddha), look like they're lit from where we're standing. What I'm trying to say is that the light seems inconsistent, somehow. Though I need to learn a lot there too.
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I don't think the gesture on the "weeping Buddha" is reading at all...in fact, if I hadn't read the comments I wouldn't even have identified it as a human form (right now it looks like a boulder). Find some reference, do a tighter sketch--whatever it takes to get the concept across.
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March 1st, 2012 #13
EagleGrove: good point. I'll tone the light down.
Giacomo: mm...yeah it's pretty hard...here's the reference
the original sculptures already has difficult forms. at this point, it's not the center of focus to show the buddha weeping, so I'll leave it as it is now...all I need from the statues is that they are ancient looking, weathered stone figures curved in primitive art style.
kinda like this one:
thanks for feedback!